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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 07:30 PM Aug 2021

George Takei says 'willfully unvaccinated' should stop receiving priority medical care

Legendary actor and civil rights activist George Takei is tired of the unvaccinated taking up hospital space as the coronavirus pandemic spreads among the unvaccinated. Takei's statements came as hospitals are canceling so-called "elective" procedures as the unvaccinated clog up healthcare systems.

"The willfully unvaccinated who wind up in hospitals from Covid should not receive priority medical care over other very sick or injured people who are as much in urgent need of medical care," Takei posted to his 3.2 million followers on Twitter.

"Anti-vaxxers think they are owning us liberals by refusing to get vaccinated. But as the kids say, this is an epic self-own," he explained.

"We are in an age of dummies," he added.

(There was no link to the Tweet)

https://www.rawstory.com/unvaccinated-2654669563/

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George Takei says 'willfully unvaccinated' should stop receiving priority medical care (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 OP
Bazinga! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #1
Kick dalton99a Aug 2021 #2
It's a shitty take, but here's the tweet: WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #3
Put them in a tent and have the janitors check on their ventilators once in a while dalton99a Aug 2021 #4
Well the ventilators are all taken ... so ... ? FakeNoose Aug 2021 #5
Food, water and a cot. roamer65 Aug 2021 #6
Sorry, I like George Takei, Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #7
I don't think he's saying Covid patients shouldn't receive care. Demobrat Aug 2021 #15
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2021 #23
+1 lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #29
If you have a hospital has one ICU bed free and a Covid Anti-vaxxer comes in at the same time as a OnDoutside Aug 2021 #31
The answer for triage Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #8
Sounds reasonable to me. Pepsidog Aug 2021 #9
This Covid has become a national emergency. RicROC Aug 2021 #10
how about NJCher Aug 2021 #19
Yes! RicROC Aug 2021 #34
Idiocracy is no longer, "just a movie". SergeStorms Aug 2021 #11
The US rations care by cost IronLionZion Aug 2021 #12
Let the Anti-Vaxxers have their Darwin Awards as they get sent back to the parking lot. TeamProg Aug 2021 #13
I see absolutely NO REASON to disagree with this! LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #14
agreed ! 100% monkeyman1 Aug 2021 #16
If the unvaccinated refuse to take medical advice, why are they at the hospital??! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #17
Because not all medical people are telling us to get vaccinated. Saffron Walden Aug 2021 #30
As for pregnant women, they have been urged to get vaccinated Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #36
This is not what my daughter-in-law was told by her doctor. Saffron Walden Aug 2021 #38
Well, the medical authorities I've see on MSNBC have said pregnant women need to be vaccinated Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #42
After your post I did a very quick search and found this; Saffron Walden Aug 2021 #43
Well, all I know is what I've heard from medical authorities on the news Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #44
A few coworkers have had babies in the past several months xmas74 Aug 2021 #37
See my post above. I wonder if any babies have been born that were conceived after Saffron Walden Aug 2021 #40
I asked a Dr. I work with about this... SKKY Aug 2021 #18
So basically the anti-vaxxers have the power of life and death Demobrat Aug 2021 #20
Life is complicated. Especially if you're a Dr. SKKY Aug 2021 #25
Yes, but a dead anti-vax Covid patient isn't going to sicken a lot of other people either. smirkymonkey Aug 2021 #24
Does he feel the same way about the morbidly obese? cinematicdiversions Aug 2021 #21
Obesity can't be prevented with a shot in the arm. Demobrat Aug 2021 #22
Obesity is not contagious /nt dickthegrouch Aug 2021 #28
I agree. The willfully unvaxxed covidiot spreaders should Roisin Ni Fiachra Aug 2021 #26
Perfect! NurseJackie Aug 2021 #27
Punishing those Zeitghost Aug 2021 #33
Germany is going to start making anti-vaxers pay for the vaccine stollen Aug 2021 #35
totally agree demtenjeep Aug 2021 #39
AGREE! bluestarone Aug 2021 #41

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
7. Sorry, I like George Takei,
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:16 PM
Aug 2021

but that attitude is an insult to medical professionals everywhere. They are dedicated to care fore everyone who needs it to the best of their ability. We don't need the medical community to be judgemental. It would be a huge mistake. I'm sure those of you who have medical professionals in your family know what I mean. I am married to a retired RN and have several other medical professionals in my family.

Demobrat

(10,259 posts)
15. I don't think he's saying Covid patients shouldn't receive care.
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:58 PM
Aug 2021

Just that they shouldn’t take precedence over others who need it just as much.

Should a willfully unvaccinated Covid patient receive care while a stroke or accident victim is turned away? Right now, with the hospitals full up with unvaccinated Covid patients, that’s how it is.

Should a mass shooting victim have to die because some anti-vaxxer’s bad decisions caught up with them? Eventually someone is going to have to decide.

At this point the answer is yes.

OnDoutside

(20,860 posts)
31. If you have a hospital has one ICU bed free and a Covid Anti-vaxxer comes in at the same time as a
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 11:23 AM
Aug 2021

pedestrian knocked down in a hit and run, which one should get the ventilator if both of them need it to survive? I don't see an issue with putting the hit and run victim ahead of the anti-vaxxer.

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

RicROC

(1,249 posts)
10. This Covid has become a national emergency.
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:30 PM
Aug 2021

And as such, the President should declare it a national emergency and do whatever to mitigate the impact of covid on the US population.

Demand that anyone serving the public be vax'd?
All food service workers( Burger King, Chick Filet, et al.)- vax'd.
All health care workers must be vax'd- and if not vax'd unable to work in a health care facility.
All military- vax'd.
All transportation employees-vax'd. Even the clerks issuing tickets.
Any visitors entering hospitals, nursing homes, Urgent care, out-patient clinics, dental offices, Optometrists offices, chiropractors, physical therapy offices- vax'd

NJCher

(42,368 posts)
19. how about
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 10:24 PM
Aug 2021

to travel on an airline, railroad, or bus, you have to be vaccinated?

Canada did this with airlines.

IronLionZion

(50,773 posts)
12. The US rations care by cost
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:35 PM
Aug 2021

someone is paying for their treatment. There are plenty of folks with serious health issues that are ticking time bombs if left untreated for too long. That was a problem throughout this pandemic when people delayed going to the hospital because of COVID.

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
13. Let the Anti-Vaxxers have their Darwin Awards as they get sent back to the parking lot.
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:38 PM
Aug 2021

With no ventilator, just a Freedom Card from Abbot & Desantis
 

Saffron Walden

(18 posts)
30. Because not all medical people are telling us to get vaccinated.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:57 AM
Aug 2021

My daughter-in-law and son are not vaccinated because we live in a place where we are pretty much isolated from other people. They are trying to get pregnant and her doctor told her there hasn't been studies on pregnant women and the vaccine. They have made the well thought out decision to not get vaccinated.

I'm not vaccinated and will not be. I have a number of crippling auto-immune conditions and my body reacts badly to many medications and topical ointments. I can't even use regular soap or the ultra soft toilet paper without breaking out in a horrible skin condition. I also get a frightening inflammatory response to some meds or injury. I was talked into the flu vaccine about 7 years ago (when I wasn't so ill) by a GP and it took me years to recover from - in fact I'm not sure I really did.

I haven't had a cold let alone flu since the mid-90's.

My husband is vaccinated and did so because he was told at the time he would protect me by being vaccinated, which turned out not to be true.

My auto-immune doctor has not mentioned the vaccine to me and won't.

All's good though - reading through the comments here I see I get a janitor to keep an eye on me as I die in tent in a hospital parking lot.

The earth's too overcrowded anyway.

Rhiannon12866

(249,593 posts)
36. As for pregnant women, they have been urged to get vaccinated
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 11:42 PM
Aug 2021

It's devastating for them to get Covid and even infants have now been infected, not just small children. There was a story on MSNBC the other day about a woman who died of Covid shortly after giving birth, a double tragedy. Getting Covid is much more devastating then temporary side effects from any vaccine and those I knew who got the Pfizer had only a slightly sore arm. I got the Moderna and had bad chills that night and the next day, but that was certainly worth not getting a devastating illness.

 

Saffron Walden

(18 posts)
38. This is not what my daughter-in-law was told by her doctor.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 07:38 PM
Aug 2021

The doctor was honest and told my daughter-in-law they don't know. My husband was told he would be protecting me if he got the vaccine but it turns out that wasn't true.

My son and his wife live in a very rural part of the US. No nearby neighbors. They don't of course use public transportation and do not work with anyone. Sometimes you have to make your own judgments. Some people's situations are different than yours.

About the infants getting covid - is it killing them or are they just testing positive? I vaguely remember Tony Fauci about 30 years ago telling the public that AIDS was taking off in the heterosexual community as it was in the homosexual community in a successful effort to get more funding and fame.

I wouldn't get a slightly sore arm, or even bad chills from the vaccine. It would probably kill me.

Rhiannon12866

(249,593 posts)
42. Well, the medical authorities I've see on MSNBC have said pregnant women need to be vaccinated
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 07:53 PM
Aug 2021

This came after a woman died of Covid not long after giving birth because she thought she could put off vaccination until after she had her baby.

And, yes, young children and infants are now in hospitals and on ventilators after contracting the virus. That's why everyone needs to be vaccinated, to protect young children who aren't yet approved to receive the vaccine.

 

Saffron Walden

(18 posts)
43. After your post I did a very quick search and found this;
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 08:07 PM
Aug 2021
https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1166062

I daren't search anymore! It's just too awful.

I think my daughter-in-law's OB was being very honest when she said, "We just don't know".

Rhiannon12866

(249,593 posts)
44. Well, all I know is what I've heard from medical authorities on the news
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 08:13 PM
Aug 2021

I listen to the Surgeon General and Dr. Fauci and the news story I related was on mainstream news. The only adverse reactions I've heard from getting vaccinated were temporary.

xmas74

(30,022 posts)
37. A few coworkers have had babies in the past several months
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 01:23 AM
Aug 2021

And OBs are encouraging moms to get vaccinated while pregnant, especially since moms have been shown to pass on immunity in utero.

 

Saffron Walden

(18 posts)
40. See my post above. I wonder if any babies have been born that were conceived after
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 07:43 PM
Aug 2021

mother's were double vaccinated.

SKKY

(12,743 posts)
18. I asked a Dr. I work with about this...
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 10:19 PM
Aug 2021

...and her reply was, "Someone's heart attack, or stroke, or broken neck isn't potentially going to sicken a lot of other people." So, while agree with Takei 99% of the time, this is the 1% I don't.

Demobrat

(10,259 posts)
20. So basically the anti-vaxxers have the power of life and death
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:11 PM
Aug 2021

over the rest of us. If they get sick due to their own bad decisions they get help, and somebody else has to die.

And that’s just how it is.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. Yes, but a dead anti-vax Covid patient isn't going to sicken a lot of other people either.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 01:35 AM
Aug 2021

Isolate them, put them in a tent on hospital grounds, give them a respirator if needed, check on them if health care workers aren't stretched too thin, but other than that, precedence should be given to patients who are in the hospital through no fault of their own.

I don't see any need to go out of the way for anti-vax covid patients since they are just going to go back out there and do it again and continue to spread the anti-vax message. The bare minimum should be done for them.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
21. Does he feel the same way about the morbidly obese?
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:14 PM
Aug 2021

Because that is the same argument for not covering the obese under universal health insurance.

Demobrat

(10,259 posts)
22. Obesity can't be prevented with a shot in the arm.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:47 AM
Aug 2021

It’s often seen seen as a choice, which is why fat shaming is acceptable to many, but intelligent people know it’s much more complicated than that.

A free, readily available shot, OTOH, is pretty simple.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
26. I agree. The willfully unvaxxed covidiot spreaders should
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 07:30 AM
Aug 2021

not receive priority medical care over other very sick or injured people who are as much in urgent need of medical care.

The jerks who killed granma, and continually spread disease because of their kool aid induced stupid, deserve least consideration for urgent medical care.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
33. Punishing those
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:39 PM
Aug 2021

Whose poor personal decisions lead to poor health outcomes and therefore extra medical care is a dangerous precedent to start.

It might sound like a great way to "own the Magats", but it's a slippery slope indeed.

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