I'm sick and tired of Matt Zeller.

[LiberalFighter]

I'm sick and tired of him being whiny.

Basically, he is saying he is sick and tired of waa waa.

[spanone]

1. is that the guy yelling on msnbc?

[LiberalFighter]

2. Yep!

[spanone]

3. He's repeatedly calling the President a liar.

fuck him.

[JaneQPublic]

29. Matt has lied.

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Last night, he claimed the Taliban has an air force, based on their taking control of a US military base.

I googled it and found all that was left behind on the base was a couple of inoperable helicopters and perhaps a few drones, which are considerably more complicated to fly than those models people get for Christmas.

[GoCubsGo]

35. That base and any equipment and munitions left behind will be strafe bombed,

or taken out with drones in the not too distant future. Unlike Trump, when he pulled out of Syria and left behind billions of dollars worth of equipment and ammo to fall into enemy hands, Biden will see that anything left behind is destroyed.

[JaneQPublic]

36. Precisely

Most definitely no Air Force for the Taliban.

[dflprincess]

4. I was goung to post the same thing.

he's getting on my last nerve & now that he's repeating himself again and again it's time to cut him off.

His voice isn't as grating but he reminds me of Ben Shapiro.

[SharonClark]

5. Better tell LuckyCharms

He started watching half way through the segment, is upset, and wants to know who the guy is.

[LuckyCharms]

7. Well, I'm not really upset lol, he just sounds like

a whiner who maybe should stand in Biden's shoes for a few minutes, make incredibly difficult decisions, and see how well he can handle the backlash.

[LiberalFighter]

16. Yep! And his so called plan would not be easy to pull off.

Suggesting it could had been done back in May? Most likely the Afghan military would have let the Taliban sneak in to sabotage the attempted evacuation of 20,000 vs. a couple of thousand.

[AngryOldDem]

6. Correct me if I'm wrong...

But didn’t Biden say they offered to evacuate, and most said they wanted to stay? And then there was some kind of bureaucratic hassle from the Afghan government?

He had way too much airtime. Now Nicolle just invited him back.

[nolabear]

8. He's furious he wasn't more important. He has no idea what the plan is.

Admittedly neither do I but he’s literally crying (I feel for him) about them not taking his calls, though eventually he got around to saying they did, just not soon enough.

He wants to take the airfields? Send in the 8th Army? Isn’t that continuing the war?

I feel for the man. He made promises and contacts and those people are real. I hope there’s a plan too, to get as many as possible out. But that was as undermining a rant as I’ve seen and the anti-Biden contingent will peddle his upset as truth.

[hlthe2b]

9. I share his frustration. We will leave many behind. We are in a lose-lose situation brought on

from 20 years of arrogance borne of cultural INCOMPETENCY and delusions of miraculous American "exceptionalism."

The clusterF..K we see now was always going to be the case--no matter who was at the helm, frankly. It was carved in stone with Bush* decision after 911 to nation-build in our image, despite knowing not a damned thing about the history, realities, or the culture of these people. And Trump cemented the resurgence of the Taliban in record time, with his release of countless fighters as he finally went out the door and overt legitimization of the Taliban.

This guy is devastated and seeks to blame Biden because he is feeling personal failure. I get it, and certainly, some things might have been done differently--but it was always going to be a horrific departure, no matter what. ClusterF...ks are like that. Biden et al are doing the best possible, I do believe, but we will all bear the guilt of failure. It was always ordained to be the case. And, I am not being flippant.

History can guide us if we will only learn its lessons.

[Me.]

10. How Dare MSNBC Allow Him To Go On Like THat?

certainly Brian was thrilled with his rant.

Ps. I believe he's running for Congress

[hlthe2b]

12. Is Matt Zeller a RWer? I took his OTT rant to be sincere because even Paul Rieckhoff

is critical (though more restrained) and I think a great deal of Rieckhoff.

I think Zeller is projecting his own personal feelings of failure, but does it go further than that?

[luvs2sing]

13. No, he's a Democrat.

I feel for what he’s feeling about this, but it was pretty irresponsible of Nicolle to let him rant on like that.

[Me.]

15. I Don't Know If It Goes Further

though I will wonder if calling the president a liar there and on twitter will stand him in good stead. I don't always agree with PJB but the one thing I do know is that he isn't a liar. This was always doomed to failure, nobody has been able to do anything real about that country.

[BradAllison]

17. He said he happily voted for Joe during the interview n/m

[hlthe2b]

19. Oh, no YOU Don't. I was responding to another's post. Your reply has nothing to do with me.

and I resent your condescension--as inappropriately targeted as it is. Telling ME or any other DUer what they "HAVE TO DO"--especially when you targeted the wrong poster is offensive as hell.

Here are MY posts that you clearly did not bother to read before leveling crass accusations at me:

The first, in response to post #10 from another DUer. Kindly go read it for context
12. Is Matt Zeller a RWer? I took his OTT rant to be sincere because even Paul Rieckhoff

is critical (though more restrained) and I think a great deal of Rieckhoff.

I think Zeller is projecting his own personal feelings of failure, but does it go further than that?

9. I share his frustration. We will leave many behind. We are in a lose-lose situation brought on

from 20 years of arrogance borne of cultural INCOMPETENCY and delusions of miraculous American "exceptionalism."

The clusterF..K we see now was always going to be the case--no matter who was at the helm, frankly. It was carved in stone with Bush* decision after 911 to nation-build in our image, despite knowing not a damned thing about the history, realities, or the culture of these people. And Trump cemented the resurgence of the Taliban in record time, with his release of countless fighters as he finally went out the door and overt legitimization of the Taliban.

This guy is devastated and seeks to blame Biden because he is feeling personal failure. I get it, and certainly, some things might have been done differently--but it was always going to be a horrific departure, no matter what. ClusterF...ks are like that. Biden et al are doing the best possible, I do believe, but we will all bear the guilt of failure. It was always ordained to be the case. And, I am not being flippant.

History can guide us if we will only learn its lessons.

[BradAllison]

20. You asked if he was a right winger

He's not and said so during the segment.

[hlthe2b]

21. You need to consider a correction or self-delete.

Not only was your post misdirected, but my question was in response to another's claim that he was running for Congress. We don't typically object to Democrats running for office--thus the question was not unexpected.

But, your demands on other posters to do and think/interpret as you direct are offensive.

[BradAllison]

22. It's offensive to ask anyone here to show empathy?

Now I'm starting to wonder what your position is?

But I'll redirect my comments.

[hlthe2b]

23. Where did I show no empathy?. I took the time (since you could not be bothered)

to paste my entire exchange. Where, exactly did I show no empathy?

You are being beyond inappropriate. I suspect others may feel even more strongly and thus, I encourage you to consider an edit of your offensive and accusation-slinging post.

[BradAllison]

25. I just told you I meant to direct it to another poster and have done so

I accept you have empathy for Zeller.

However, I will not absolutely not apologize for telling others that they are lacking empathy when they essentially say "Why is he criticizing??? He must be have an agenda" when he very clearly stated what he was angry about during that segment.

[hlthe2b]

27. Then direct your replies to the person(s) who made those comments!

[USALiberal]

33. Lighten up!

[BradAllison]

24. He said he voted for Joe

He is a man who owes his life to an Afghan interpreter who may now be in grave danger.

People are going to be emotional about this. We need to extend the same empathy to them we would of a family who lost their child at the border. It's not all about slamming "our guy".

[Me.]

31. Of Course Empathy Is Called For, Nobody Is Not INsinuating Such

But his was an out and out rant starting with with him practically yelling that PJB is a liar, even Kissinger knows where to place the blame for this debacle and it isn't at PJB's feet. And I have to wonder what was the military's role in all the planning, surely they know/knew about the danger to the people who helped?

[Rustyeye77]

11. I think it's good to hear from someone who's been there.

Besides serving in Afghanistan , he apparently was a CIA analyst.

[gratuitous]

14. Remember the old plate spinning variety show routine?

The performer would set a plate spinning on the end of a long stick or rod. As the frenzied music of Sabre Dance played, the performer would set another plate spinning. Then another. Another. Depending on how skilled the performer was, eight plates or even a dozen could be going at once. As one plate began to slow, the performer would have to "save" the faltering plate before attending to the next plate. Of course, nobody could keep it going forever, adding more and more plates, and so when the full complement of plates were safely spinning, the performer would snatch them off the sticks one by one, and get a round of applause.

Afghanistan is like that, except there's no limit to the number of plates, and an occupier has to keep them all spinning while adding more all the time. Finally, they all fall. It's inevitable, and it doesn't matter how good the plate spinner is.

[Raven123]

18. I thought he was powerful.

Veterans of Afghanistan have a perspective I cannot. He has not been the only voice advocating on behalf of Afghan partners. When someone saves your life, as he claims, you’re going to do your best to repay them. If, as he asserts, his efforts were ignored by the administration, I view that as a valid criticism.

[BradAllison]

26. His emotions are everything I knew would eventually happen

We were always going to lose, it was inevitable, and many more will die because of it.

It was the same way I felt about the reporter from the previous hour pleading how more could have been done and we didn't have to leave YET. Maybe, maybe not.

[ecstatic]

28. I'm watching him now

I'm 100% in agreement with Pres Biden's decision and his speech was excellent. However, I can empathize a little bit with Zeller because he seems really emotionally invested in the relationship he had with the translators. However, Biden addressed that issue in his speech--they didn't want to evacuate everyone because the plan was for Afghanistan to continue functioning on their own and defending themselves against the Taliban. Evacuating ahead of time would have sent the wrong signal.

[kentuck]

30. Did he say anything when Trump announced he was drawing down to 2500 troops?

But now he says we need the 82nd Airborne and the 1st Marine Division?

He sounded sort of Trumpian to me, but being a Afghan veteran, it does lend him some credibility, I suppose?

[Mr.Bill]

32. When we needed to hear from someone with his passion

was when we invaded the place, not when we are leaving.

[crickets]

34. +1000000