We should have never been in Afghanistan. However,

[boston bean]

once there for twenty frickin years, we should have allowed those who helped us safe passage out and not left them high and dry.

This is not going to be the first time that women will be subjugated in Afghanistan after tasting freedom and it really fucking sucks. I am angry about it, but I do not blame Biden. I blame the corrupted religion and the men of that country.

If I had my way we would have been fighting for women’s freedom for twenty years, and changing minds. But it appears the men over there think women are less than human. And not one damn thing changed after 2 trillion over 20 years. They just waited us out. Should have learned from Russia I guess.

Blame Bush/Cheney for this too.

[Blanks]

1. We allow the Amish to not send their girls to school...

Yeah, the fight for women’s rights is a worthy cause, but it’s not what we were in Afghanistan for in the first place.

I’m not sure anyone would have supported an invasion of the country to make sure they send girls to school since there are examples of it not being done here.

[LakeArenal]

2. I lived among the Amish for decades. Maybe it depends on a sect

But Amish girls and boys go to school together.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

5. Point of 'logic here, if I may ...

Blanks said they're allowed not to, not that none of them send their girls to school

The overall point that we make all kinds of (mostly bullshit IMHO) concessions to religion here is at least part of why it's unlikely we'd have ever gone to Afghanistan to free women from the yoke of religious leaders ... seems valid.

[LakeArenal]

8. Yes I see. But there are stereotypes about the Amish that I found not true at all.

That’s why I said maybe it depends on the sect.
Amish are no way subjected like middle eastern woman. Not even close.

[ShazzieB]

9. Blanks' logic is based on a fallacy, though.

The Amish are NOT "allowed" to deny girls an education, nor have they ever asked for any such thing. They send both boys and girls to school, through 8th grade. What they are allowed to to is end their children's formal education at that point. Most, if not all, states, have laws that require kids to be in school longer than that, but the Amish are exempted from those laws.

Amish boys and girls get exactly the same amount of basic education, in the same classrooms, together. It stops at the same point for all Amish kids, regardless of gender, because the Amish believe in only a basic level of education for all of their children.

They may be groups in this country that deliberately educate boys but not girls (anything is possible), but I'm pretty sure they would have to be doing this on the down low, probably under the guise of "home schooling," in states that have lax standards for such. I'm pretty sure that all states in the U.S. have laws that require the education of all children, not just one gender, and that if some group asked for an exemption to that, they'd have a major court battle on their hands.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

10. If so, then it would not be 'based on a fallacy', it would just be factually wrong

But thanks for the education on the underlying facts

[ShazzieB]

4. That's not accurate about the Amish.

The Amish send all their kids, boys and girls alike, to school, but only through the 8th grade. All of them get the same (limited) amount of education.

https://www.amishvillage.com/blog/education-in-the-amish-community/

[Saffron Walden]

7. Also in America people are free to leave the Amish and continue their education.

[Blanks]

12. Good point. The children don't have that choice though. nt

[Blanks]

11. Thanks for straightening that out. nt

[LakeArenal]

3. Great points. Yes all males always making decisions for women.

Doesn’t matter what side, religion or nationality.

[JI7]

6. Changing those men's minds would have been impossible

I do think we should have invested in things like all women armed groups.