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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Rabid Fall of Afghanistan Underscores That Withdrawing Was The Right Decision
The US has been in Afghanistan for over twenty years. As folks noted, the U.S. help put in place rights and infrastructure. Yet, rather takes steps toward and demand independence like Iraq, Afghanistan become increasingly dependent on the US to protect it from its own people. Yes, Trump did not really have a plan in place when he boxed in the US and committed to a May 2021 withdrawal. But, would hanging on for a few months change anything?
I am actually surprised that there is not more fighting between Afghanistan and US forces as the US leaves, which suggests that the Taliban is largely keeping its end of the bargain in terms of allowing the U.S. to withdraw.
I would rather than we focus on preserving Democracy in the U.S., rather than trying to preserve the illusion of a Democratic government in Afghanistan. People complain about the loss of rights in Afghanistan? Lets focus on the need to protect the right to vote here at home. We have our own cult of religious zealots who are trying to seize power, and unless we are banking on flying to Canada in the event the right wing is successful in a coup, we better be ready to fight and protect our own rights, rather taking such rights for granted.
msongs
(67,405 posts)there would be a several weeks time period to do evacuations etc
Omnipresent
(5,711 posts)These are stressful times, when a new political power takes over in any country. The MAGAt hypocrites here in the US and lack of planning on the part of Afghanies for this withdrawal, should not concern us.
The US has a gambling problem. We cant continue throwing money away on something were never going to win.
Its already been 20 years!! When is enough going to be enough? Its better we do this now, than never.
Lets get into rehab and let the healing begin.
Johonny
(20,848 posts)It seems to confirm his beliefs that were formed during the Obama administration. It would appear that Biden might make a lot of hard decisions we've not been making. Here's to hoping this was the first of several strong decision moves.
MySideOfTown
(225 posts)Afghanistan: Its About Oil
GAR SMITH
SPRING 2002
A Response to Terror
In 1998, Dick Cheney (then CEO of Halliburton, a major US oil-services company) commented: I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian. Cheney was looking ahead to the day when some 50 billion barrels of oil and natural gas lying beneath the dry earth of Kazakstan would begin flowing into US-controlled terminals in the Caspian Sea.
Unfortunately, the most direct and cost-efficient pipeline route would cross through Iran, Americas nemesis. (While Washington was loath to bargin with Iran, one private US consortium was prepared to deal: It was a British Virgin Islands firm headed by none other than former US Secretary of State Alexander Haig.)
From the US standpoint, Brown University anthropologist William O. Beeman observed, the only way to deny Iran everything is for the anti-Iranian Taliban to win in Afghanistan and to agree to the pipeline through their territory. That is exactly what happened - thanks to the CIA.
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The first proponent of the Afghan oil route was the Bridas Group, an Argentine company. Competition quickened with the entry of Unocals John Imle who proposed a US-controlled pipeline paralleling Bridas route. In 1998, Unocal signed a deal with the Taliban to build an 890-mile natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, but the plan was thwarted by continuing civil war. Unocal informed the Department of Energy that the gas pipeline would not proceed until an internationally recognized government was in place in Afghanistan.
By 2050, the US expects to import more than 80 percent of its petroleum from this region and much of that oil would be extracted from beneath the deserts of Afghanistan and Pakistan. The struggle for control of this last great deposit of oil has been called the Great Game.
In 1998, Unocal Vice President John J. Maresca told a US House Subcommittee that an oil route to the Arabian Sea would prove a new Silk Road [linking]... the Central Asia supply with the demand. This would also stymie the dreams of Irans oil investors. A December 2000 US Energy Information fact sheet noted that, while Afghanistans potential includes proposed multibillion dollar oil and gas export pipelines
, these plans have now been thrown into serious question by the rebel attacks and the instability of the Taliban regime.
Unocal, with the assistance of former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, began negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline across Afghanistan in 1995. Taliban leaders were flown to Washington and Houston for lavish barbecues and put up in five-star hotels.
In 1996, The Telegraph (London) reported that the dream of securing a pipeline across Afghanistan is the main reason why Pakistan
has been so supportive of the Taliban. As George Monbiot observed in The Guardian (London), For the first year of Taliban rule, US policy towards the regime appears to have been determined principally by Unocals interests.
The Taliban were Big Oils favorite sons. When President Clinton launched cruise missiles against Osama bin Ladens training camps in 1998, the US made a point of insulating the Taliban leaders by declaring emphatically that bin Ladens terrorists were not supported by any state.
In his book Taliban, Ahmed Rashid explains how Pakistan and the US agreed in 1994 to establish a pro-Western government in Afghanistan to guarantee the security of the Unocal pipeline.
In a widely syndicated commentary, political cartoonist Ted Rall (who visited Turkmenistan as a guest of the State Department) offered the following summation of the US attack on Afghanistan: This ersatz war by a phony president is solely about getting the Unocal deal done without interference from annoying local middlemen.
US foreign policy is based on the concept of full-spectrum dominance, which requires global US control of military, economic and political development. Last June, China and Russia formed the Shanghai Cooperation Organization to challenge the growing US presence in Asia.
If the US succeeds in overthrowing the Taliban and replacing them with a stable and grateful pro-Western government, Monbiot writes, it will have crushed not only terrorism, but also the growing ambitions of both Russia and China. Afghanistan, as ever, is the key to the western domination of Asia.
In 1998, when Dick Cheney headed Halliburton, the firms clients included such petrotyrannies as Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Indonesia, Iran and Azerbaijan. At Halliburton, Cheney fought human rights sanctions imposed against Azerbaijan, lobbied against the Iran-Libya sanctions Act and accepted corruption as a necesary cost of doing business with the Suharto dictatorship in Indonesia. Halliburton routinely violated US trade sanctions to do business with Iran.
Cheneys profits-over-principles leadership of Halliburton prompted congressional critics to accuse the firm of undermining American foreign policy to the full extent allowed by law.
The September 11 attack provided the Cheney-Bush team with the opportunity to use the US military to pave the way for Big Oils long-sought Afghan oil route.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)TomCADem
(17,387 posts)And running an easy to sabotage oil pipeline through a war torn country would be the height of stupidity.
Iraq, yes. Afghanistan, no.
MySideOfTown
(225 posts)When the Stans were part of the USSR they started a war with Afghanistan to change their government so they (USSR) could build a pipeline thru Afghanistan to India to sell that oil. The USA under Raygun decided to back the Taliban to oppose that and succeeded. Then the USSR fell apart and the Stans became independent countries in about 1990. Halliburton then led by Dick Cheney conceived a plan to build a pipeline for the Stans thru Afghanistan to India. Afghanistan opposed that, so when 911 happened Cheney was VP of USA and a giant frame was set up to invade Afghanistan to change their government so Halliburton could get the contract to build the pipeline. 911 might have been part of the frame.
Here is a google map of the area https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kazakhstan/@39.6716051,55.8377615,4.52z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x38a91007ecfca947:0x5f7b842fe4b30e1b!8m2!3d48.019573!4d66.923684?hl=en