Reuters/Ipsos poll: 72% of Dems support withdrawal of troops, and 53% want to send them back

[muriel_volestrangler]

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/polling/lbvgnnggapq/Afghanistan_Snap_Topline.pdf

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This is not helpful.

[bluedevil4]

1. Send them back?!

Who in their right mind would want to send them back? I’m assuming this is after we get everyone out

[JoanofArgh]

5. The 24/7 awful media coverage. Richard Engel was just on NBC Nightly News telling a group of

Afghanis that Americans hated them and then asking them if they felt betrayed.

[rockfordfile]

17. Well we were in there for 20 years and spent trillions of our tax dollars.

Some of the Afghans let the USA down.

[Haggard Celine]

2. It's a good illustration of how fickle Americans are.

A lot of us can be talked into virtually anything one minute, and then turn the channel and be convinced of the opposite. Too much advertising.

[nycbos]

3. Life imitates art?

[FBaggins]

28. Or...

[nycbos]

30. This is great too.

[JoanofArgh]

4. Biden's approval rating dropped by 7 points to 46%, which is expected with

all the media coverage.

However, a majority of both Republican and Democratic voters said the chaos was a sign that the United States should leave.

A separate Ipsos snap poll, also conducted on Monday, found that fewer than half of Americans liked the way Biden has steered the U.S. military and diplomatic effort in Afghanistan this year. The president, who just last month praised Afghan forces for being "as well-equipped as any in the world," was rated worse than the other three presidents who presided over the United States' longest war.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-approval-drops-lowest-level-this-year-after-taliban-takeover-2021-08-17/

Opinions are all over the place

[JohnSJ]

10. 7 points to 46%. That is funny because a few days ago it was 59% approval. Something

doesn’t seem right here

They were wrong in 2016, they were wrong In the Brown/Turner special election, and we will see soon enough how well they are in the California Recall election

I really wonder about their sampling, and what assumptions they factor in

[JoanofArgh]

12. Reuters/Ipsos last approval for him was 53% according to the article

[JohnSJ]

18. Ok. If valid the country deserves its endless wars, and the AntiVax/Anti-Mask pandemic

In that snap poll a thousand people were polled


50% want to send troops back in

Pure insanoty

There is no redemption fro the US

Viet Nam wasn’t enough, Iraq wasn’t enough, and I guess Afghanistan isn’t enough

[JoanofArgh]

21. I'm not saying it's valid...... It's too early. People have just

had a couple days of wall to wall coverage slamming Biden. It needs to play out.

[JohnSJ]

24. I am not directing my disgust at you Joan, but the stupidity of what America has become

It isn’t just Afghanistan, it’s the pandemic, January 6th, the media circus’s that has taken over the news since the telecommunications act of 1996, all connected

In fact the media coverage is just a variation of the big lie, just with a different set of clothes

[Polybius]

32. Here's a list of multiple polls on Biden's approval

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html#polls

The highest in the last month is 58%, but most are in the early 50's or even high 40's.

[Celerity]

35. Yes, and some posters also go into the internals and 🍒 pick out non headline,

dramatically higher numbers that are outliers to the overall multi-poll consensus average.

The same 🍒 picking games were played in the 2020 races (including the primaries as well), which is part of the reason why so many expressed shock at the results, especially in certain Senate races.

[keithbvadu2]

6. Those who want to send troops back? Sign up your own family members.

Those who want to send troops back? Sign up your own family members.

Eric? Donnie Jr? Age exemptions accepted.

[Silent3]

7. It might be contradictory, but I know how they (collectively) feel

It's really true that if 20 years wasn't enough, it was never going to be enough.

But I hate thinking about what's going to happen to the Afghan people now, most especially the women and girls who will either be forced back into the 11th century, and/or beaten, raped or killed just for not having been living in the 11th century before the Taliban got there.

If 2500 hundred troops really were enough to hold back the Taliban (seems hard to believe that few would be -- the Taliban probably could have succeeded before now, they were just patient enough to wait for it to be even easier for them), I think I could support 2500 troops there indefinitely.

But, realistically, if the Taliban though we were going to stay and not leave, the bloodshed and the number of troops needed would go right back up again.

[JoanofArgh]

9. It wasn't enough. Marine vet who served over there said they weren't even infantry, just

transport and supply and Taliban had been advancing all over the country for months.

[Doodley]

8. This is a disaster. Trump could be president again with unpopular decisions, and if that happens it

will be as our fully fascist dictator.

[rockfordfile]

14. BS. We are getting out.

[Doodley]

26. Let's see what the polls say. Let's see if the danger of Trump being re-elected has increased.

[vercetti2021]

27. How?

It's one poll. Majority of people wanted us out for years. The only people making it a disaster is the boobtube

[qazplm135]

13. not surprising

on the one hand, a lot of people are invested in America not "Failing" and this is a failure. So the natural response is to fix it, and that means troops.

On the other hand, people generally think we shouldn't have stayed as long as we did and withdrawal is a good idea.

So basically logic is conflicting with emotion.

[JoanofArgh]

16. Great observation.

[Johonny]

19. I imagine a month ago more than 50% didn't know if we did or did not still have troops there

and only 25 percent could find Afghanistan on a map.

[JoanofArgh]

22. +1

I think 25% is too high even now, lol

[stillcool]

25. a week ago...

[marie999]

29. That's probably how many Americans can find Florida on a map of Florida.

[Hoyt]

20. Don't support sending them back except to execute the withdrawal properly.

If the poll is close to accurate, we better hope time heals the dissatisfaction with the execution of withdrawal.

[dutch777]

23. When will we learn the best way out of quagmire is to not get into it in the first place?

And there is no other graceful way out. I would be fine being in the nation building business, if we showed any sign we are serious and were any good at it and had the willingness to spend the decades and $ trillions it would take. We can't keep reasonable focus to deal with something like Rove/Cheney committing treason outing Valerie Plame or rightly hashing through the January 6th aftermath. We think after WW2 that we built nations-- Germany, Japan, etc. They had the raw material, the basic experience and common interests and all we really did was not weigh them down with war reparations and stand in their way. I truly feel for the men and women who served and suffered and especially those that died and their families and friends. Such a shame.

[NYC Liberal]

31. By next year, Americans will have forgotten about Afghanistan again.

It is on people's minds now because it's in the news.

Once everyone is out, and we are not involved, people won't care what's happening there. How many Americans care (or even know) what is happening in Iraq right now?

[Victor_c3]

33. I agree, but I don't think it'll take a year

Give it a few months and it will be forgotten by the public - just like the republican coup attempt.

[NYC Liberal]

34. Yep, agree.

Basically as soon as we’re completely out and the media isn’t reporting on it.