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Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 08:50 AM Aug 2021

President Trump's Disgraceful Peace Deal with the Taliban (TIME 2020)

Here’s the back story with all the context.



President Trump's Disgraceful Peace Deal with the Taliban

BY DAVID FRENCH
Time, MARCH 3, 2020

Excerpt…

If you read the peace agreement itself, you’ll note immediately that it gives the Taliban a series of concrete, measurable gifts. First, there’s an immediate allied withdrawal – down to 8,600 American troops (and proportionate numbers of allied troops) within 135 days. The remainder of American and allied forces will leave within 14 months.

At the same time, the United States will immediately and substantially reinforce the Taliban by seeking the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners by March 20. Even worse, the United States further agreed to a goal of “releasing all remaining prisoners over the course of the subsequent three months.” It will do this at the same time that it commits to the “goal” of removing sanctions from members of the Taliban that include travel bans, asset freezes, and an arms embargo.

The combination of the planned American retreat and the planned prisoner release would represent a substantial change in the balance of forces in Afghanistan. This would come without any agreement by the Taliban to cease hostilities against our allies.

At this point, the deal looks worse than a simple withdrawal. America can leave all on its own without also agreeing to seek the release of Taliban prisoners. It can leave all on its own without promising to ease sanctions. So why agree to the additional concessions?

America is making these concrete concessions in exchange for unenforceable promises from an untrustworthy enemy. The Taliban promise that they will not allow its members or members of al-Qaeda to use Afghan soil to threaten American national security. The promise to “send a clear message” that those who threaten the United States “have no place in Afghanistan.” Yet the agreement released to the public provides no verification or enforcement provisions for these assurances, and once America is out of Afghanistan, our ability to enforce those promises absent a new, substantial military buildup will be limited to nonexistent.

Continues…

https://time.com/5794643/trumps-disgraceful-peace-deal-taliban/

Now Trump’s deal is obvious for what it is: exactly like Trump, a disgrace.

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President Trump's Disgraceful Peace Deal with the Taliban (TIME 2020) (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 OP
Trump was getting something out of the deal. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #1
It's important to find out. Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 #4
Yes , all of this needs to be investigated . JI7 Aug 2021 #15
More like DENVERPOPS Aug 2021 #16
Yes. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #19
Right - Chump got Pootie everything he wanted FakeNoose Aug 2021 #23
Disgraced Republican casino hustler in stanky "deal" Champp Aug 2021 #2
What we know is sure scary. Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 #5
Whoa - major Republican sleazeball Champp Aug 2021 #14
M$Greedia did not give this the coverage it deserved last year malaise Aug 2021 #3
Goes back a ways. Remember Nayireh the fake Kuwaiti nurse? Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 #8
Yes I remember that malaise Aug 2021 #12
Exactly Ohioboy Aug 2021 #10
Quickly drowned out by Trump killing us with COVID IronLionZion Aug 2021 #6
All to screw President Biden. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #7
Yes it Rebl2 Aug 2021 #9
Yep. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #11
Former SecDef Esper said Trump may've undermined America, again. Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 #17
Because in my mind there is an unwritten and unspoken quid pro quo for the grifters. usaf-vet Aug 2021 #13
Trump didn't do squat when he learned Russia had a bounty on Americans. Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 #18
Are we so certain that Putin has not had a hand in this? Fritz Walter Aug 2021 #20
Wouldn't Putin past him. Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 #21
Yes. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #22
Always wondered about Raygun's deal with Iran to hold the hostages till he became Pres. rickyhall Aug 2021 #24
Who knew Iran needed so many spare parts for Hawk missiles? Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 #25
Very interesting. Reminds me of the Bartcop days. Thank you for the info. rickyhall Aug 2021 #26
Thank you. Bartcop was TOPS. Kid Berwyn Aug 2021 #27

Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
4. It's important to find out.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 09:42 AM
Aug 2021

Tom Barrack was repping UAE in secret. Maybe he knows something about the Afghan account.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-tom-barrack-arrested-foreign-lobbying-united-arab-emirates-obstructing-justice

Might be good to ask Pompeo and Bolton what they know. Supposedly, they were on opposite sides of the fence regarding the deal.

DENVERPOPS

(8,893 posts)
16. More like
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 10:55 AM
Aug 2021

Putin's admiration...................

Trump and hundreds of Republican Politicians are nothing more than agents/moles for the Russians.......

On almost every point/decision of Trump and Republican Politicians, one has to ask, WHO DOES THIS BENEFIT?????????

PUTIN..........need we say more?????????????

Seriously, every day, watch what is done by the Right Wing and ask yourself the question, WHO DOES THIS BENEFIT???????

Champp

(2,114 posts)
2. Disgraced Republican casino hustler in stanky "deal"
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 09:16 AM
Aug 2021

surprise, surprise.

It is stupefying how much the Republicans gave away to our avowed enemies. What a betrayal.

Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
5. What we know is sure scary.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 09:47 AM
Aug 2021

For instance, from 2019…


Barrack’s Involvement in the “Middle East Marshall Plan”

CREW uncovered emails showing that Tom Barrack, a longtime friend and media surrogate of the president who chaired his inaugural committee, had access to high-level officials in the Commerce Department and pitched a plan to sell Saudi Arabia nuclear technology to advance his own financial interests. Barrack’s role in the promotion of this so-called “Middle East Marshall Plan” came under scrutiny in a House Oversight Committee investigation because Barrack may have been improperly influencing government activities for his own benefit. The plan would have transferred sensitive nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia outside of the process required by the Atomic Energy Act, which is intended to ensure that countries receiving nuclear technology will not use it to create nuclear weapons. Kushner also helped to promote the proposal.

Source: https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/kushner-barrack-perry-and-ethics-problems-attend-saudi-conference/

Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
8. Goes back a ways. Remember Nayireh the fake Kuwaiti nurse?
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 09:55 AM
Aug 2021


The Fake News in 1990 That Propelled the US into the First Gulf War

Jack Xiong
Citizen Truth, May 7, 2018

The 2016 election was the year of fake news, but fake news is not such a new problem in our country. We take a look back at the congressional testimony of a young Kuwaiti girl in 1990, testimony which propelled the U.S. into the First Gulf War but later proved to be based on a lie.

In October 1990, a fifteen-year-old Kuwaiti girl gave a harrowing testimony before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, recounting inhumane atrocities committed by Iraqi soldiers in her country. It was credited for helping draw the U.S. into the Gulf War later that year. Her claims were ultimately refuted by evidence to the contrary, exposing deceptive motives and sources behind the ploy.

Known as “Nayirah”, the girl told the caucus that Iraqi soldiers had removed scores of babies from incubators and left them to die. Her story was originally corroborated by Amnesty International and other evacuees of Kuwait at the time.

“Public relations” or “fake news”?

According to the New York Times in 1992, the girl’s testimony was actually orchestrated by the big public relations firm Hill & Knowlton on behalf of a client, the Kuwaiti-sponsored Citizens for a Free Kuwait. The client’s aim was to secure military support from the U.S. through raising awareness about the dangers posed to Kuwait by Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein.

The girl who gave the testimony was also revealed to be not just an ordinary civilian but the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the U.S.

Continues…

https://citizentruth.org/fake-news-1990-that-ignited-gulf-war-sympathy/

Gold makes people do crazy stuff, including propagandists lying America into wars without end. Oil is black gold.

IronLionZion

(45,644 posts)
6. Quickly drowned out by Trump killing us with COVID
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 09:48 AM
Aug 2021

Republicans killed way more Americans than the Taliban could ever dream of.

If Trump was such a big powerful tough guy who makes artful deals to screw his enemies, they would have withdrawn all US forces before the November election to help him win. They knew it would be a deadly mess.

Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
17. Former SecDef Esper said Trump may've undermined America, again.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 10:59 AM
Aug 2021

Ex-defense secretary: Trump's push to get US troops out of Afghanistan possibly 'undermined' deal with Taliban

By Paul LeBlanc, CNN
August 18, 2021

Washington (CNN) — Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday that he was concerned that then-President Donald Trump "undermined" the US' 2020 agreement with the Taliban by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the conditions of the deal.

The Trump administration's "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan" outlined a series of commitments from the US and the Taliban related to troop levels, counterterrorism and intra-Afghan dialogue aimed at bringing about "a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire."

But, Esper told CNN's Christiane Amanpour, "my concern was that President Trump, by continuing to want to withdraw American forces out of Afghanistan, undermined the agreement, which is why in the fall when he was calling for a return of US forces by Christmas, I objected and formally wrote a letter to him, a memo based on recommendations from the military chain of command and my senior civilian leadership that we not go further -- that we not reduce below 4,500 troops unless and until conditions were met by the Taliban."

"Otherwise," Esper continued, "we would see a number of things play out, which are unfolding right now in many ways."

Continues…

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/mark-esper-donald-trump-taliban-afghanistan-cnntv/index.html

Certainly appears Trump was working on all fronts to undermine America and kill Americans.

usaf-vet

(6,236 posts)
13. Because in my mind there is an unwritten and unspoken quid pro quo for the grifters.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 10:27 AM
Aug 2021

Access to some of the billions in aid promised to the new regime.

Cold hard U.S. Treasury dollars routed to Trump's mob of grifters.

And that before they get their cut of any illicit drug trade that will flourish.

Trump and his mob don't care about the lives of the people that will suffer and die.

Don't believe it just look what the GQP is doing at home letting people die of Covid to feed the delusion that it kills more Democratic voters the RW voters.

Like the virus looks at your party's affiliations before infecting you. Delusional truly delusional, greedy, and power-seeking cult followers.

Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
18. Trump didn't do squat when he learned Russia had a bounty on Americans.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 11:05 AM
Aug 2021
Exclusive: Trump never raised Russia's Taliban bounties with Putin

Jonathan Swan, Dave Lawler
Axioms, 29 July, 2020

President Trump has never confronted Vladimir Putin with intelligence indicating Russia paid the Taliban to kill U.S. troops, he told “Axios on HBO” in an interview on Tuesday.

Why it matters: Democrats have seized on the issue, and Trump's reluctance to discuss it, as evidence he’s unwilling to challenge Putin even when American lives are at stake.

Trump spoke with Putin on Thursday, and subsequently deflected a question about whether he’d raised the alleged bounty scheme, saying on Monday: “We don't talk about what we discussed, but we had plenty of discussion.”
In Tuesday’s interview, he was definitive:

“I have never discussed it with him.”

Continues…

https://www.axios.com/trump-russia-bounties-taliban-putin-call-4a0f6110-ab58-41c0-96fc-57b507462af1.html

And we still don’t know what the two talked about all those times they met in secret.

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
20. Are we so certain that Putin has not had a hand in this?
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 11:09 AM
Aug 2021

Sure, the Soviet-Afghan war in the late 1970s was a debacle. And the US did back the Mujahideen rebels to fought against those Soviet invaders.

Is there even a remote possibility that Putin instructed TFG, directly or indirectly, to cut this deal, knowing that Afghanistan would be vulnerable? And knowing that TFG's re-election -- or for that matter "reinstatement" -- was highly unlikely, so a disastrous withdrawal would ultimately result in an injury to our international stature.

Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
21. Wouldn't Putin past him.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 11:32 AM
Aug 2021

Trump picked Putin over the Kurds.



Trump's betrayal of the Kurds gifted military intelligence to Russia

When Trump ordered US troops to abandon the Kurds in Northern Syria, Turkish forces stormed the newly unprotected area.

Within days of the Americans abandoning their bases, "reporters" from the Russian defence ministry's TV channel began broadcasting from there.

This is an intelligence (and propaganda) gift to Russia.

Moscow will carefully examine the abandoned bases for communications infrastructure, construction materials and techniques, and battlefield medical equipment.

Each new piece of knowledge will improve their understanding of Western tactics, techniques and operations, helping to develop countermeasures for future conflicts.


Victor Madeira
Insider, Nov 21, 2019,

In a single phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan last month, President Donald Trump undid years of US-led efforts against ISIS in just minutes.

Trump unexpectedly agreed to withdraw US forces from areas along Syria's border with Turkey. This presence had long irritated Ankara: from these areas, American and allied special operations forces for five years trained, fought alongside and protected militias affiliated with the Kurdistan Workers' Party.

It has long fought for an autonomous Kurdish state in the region, leading Ankara, Washington and others to designate the party a terror group years ago.

But the Kurds were the best fighters to take on ISIS with western support. And so the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces did, with victory costing them dearly: 11,000 dead (versus six American losses).

Continues…

https://www.insider.com/trump-betrayal-of-kurds-gave-intelligence-to-russia-2019-11



Betrayal is what Trump does best.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
24. Always wondered about Raygun's deal with Iran to hold the hostages till he became Pres.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 09:52 PM
Aug 2021

Had to be more than spare parts. Oh, sorry, Raygun didn't bargain with terrorists, my bad....not.

Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
25. Who knew Iran needed so many spare parts for Hawk missiles?
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 12:28 AM
Aug 2021

Besides the people who sold them?



October Surprise: Finally, Time for the Truth

By Robert Parry

Jamshid Hashemi looked wearier than he did seven years earlier, his complexion was waxier, befitting a man with a serious heart condition. The U.S.-Iranian arms merchant/businessman also was in more legal hot water from his work with an American company which collapsed in an allegedly fraudulent stock scheme.

But Jamshid Hashemi's account of the political intrigue that surrounded the 1980 Iranian hostage crisis -- plotting that allegedly undercut President Carter's negotiations to free 52 Americans and ensured Ronald Reagan's election -- has changed little over the years. In that way, Jamshid Hashemi remains potentially one of the most important witnesses to the unsavory acts that may have launched the Reagan-Bush era.

Jamshid Hashemi still claims that in the summer of 1980, he and his brother, Cyrus, participated in secret meetings involving William J. Casey and Iranian intermediaries representing Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. In a recent interview with The Consortium, Jamshid Hashemi repeated his account that meetings in Madrid, Spain, in late July and then in August, 1980, resulted in an agreement to release the 52 American hostages only after Reagan took office. In exchange, the radical Iranian government got commitments for secret shipments of U.S. military supplies.

"I thought it was my duty that the people in the United States should know," Hashemi told me during an afternoon-long interview at a hotel near Heathrow Airport outside of London. "They should know, they should be the judge of it."

Though Hashemi sat through the lengthy interview with the same gentlemanly style that I encountered when I first met him in 1990, he did flash with anger when he discussed the House inquiry that examined the October Surprise controversy in 1992 and issued a report in January 1993 clearing the Republicans.

"Rubbish, that's what I think," steamed Hashemi. "Just a whitewash of the whole situation. It's a cover-up."

Hashemi argued that it made no sense for him to have invented his October Surprise account which he repeated under oath to Congress in 1992. He had nothing to gain by making the public charges -- and a great deal to lose, he said. "Who has ever paid me a single dime?" he asked. "I had to pay all my lawyer's fees. What did I gain here?"

Hashemi blamed the cover-up primarily on the attack strategy of Republican lawyers on the task force, particularly Richard Leon, who was the senior GOP investigator, a role similar to Leon's post on the 1987 House Iran-Contra investigation, in which the Republicans issued a minority report clearing Reagan and his subordinates of all wrongdoing in that scandal, too. Hashemi said Leon, rather than task force chief counsel Lawrence Barcella, appeared to be running the October Surprise investigation.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile9.html



Poppy Bush? Now there was a player.





George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of ‘Counter-Terrorism’

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: [font size="5"][font color="green"]As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.[/font color][/font size]

SNIP...

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

SNIP...

NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985

The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.

The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.

The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.

Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified. The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.

CONTINUED...

CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.




Bob Gates was young then.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
26. Very interesting. Reminds me of the Bartcop days. Thank you for the info.
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 09:46 PM
Aug 2021

People don't believe me when I say the GOP is the criminal party.

Kid Berwyn

(15,060 posts)
27. Thank you. Bartcop was TOPS.
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:16 AM
Aug 2021

He told the truth about the GOP and the Bush Crime Family.

Bartcop knew his BFEE

Here’s an interesting, if incomplete and poorly edited, but accurate, history of how the GOP devils took advantage of deregulation to rip off trillions, then got the U.S. taxpayer to replace what they stole.

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

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