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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRemember Trump's surprise withdrawal from Syria?
We had troops there helping the Kurds who had PROVEN their willingness to fight. Trump just yanked our folks out with no notice, leaving entire bases there for the Russians and Turks to come in and occupy. Kurds were murdered in the streets, and their entire community destroyed.
Somehow THAT was fine with the MAGAts.
But now that we're ending a 20-year war, allying with people who have no will to fight the Taliban, and sending troops to rescue those who can and want to get out. Well, obviously that's an impeachable offense.
Hypocrisy, thy name is MAGAt.
Walleye
(30,721 posts)All roads lead to Putin
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Walleye
(30,721 posts)I wonder if Donald still talks to Putin regularly on the phone
KS Toronado
(16,908 posts)Putin is going to milk Qrump for everything he can get out of him before
he decides he is of no more value to him & throws him under the bus.
And if they are talking, I hope the FBI is recording everything.
Walleye
(30,721 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Same disregard as he had for our own half million American Covid deaths.
He's a cold blooded murderer, like Putin & the rest of the global killers thruout history.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)the bitching and moaning going on now.
momta
(4,076 posts)rather meekly saying "I hope he doesn't go through with it" and then jumping right on the MAGAt bandwagon once it was done.
I cried real tears for the Kurds we betrayed.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)But if you mean M$M and congressional Dems, there was indeed less of a 'peep' than the current situation.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)venues, nobody seemed to give a shit after the initial obligatory head hanging.
Ohio Joe
(21,656 posts)bluedevil4
(305 posts)and I do remember being upset over it because the Kurds were our allies. We had about a 1000 special ops and no one needed to be moved out except our 1000 ops who were sent to Iraq.
The problem today is we have thousands and thousands of people to invacuate
hadEnuf
(2,150 posts)WarGamer
(12,103 posts)Who wants to be the final KIA in a war zone under evacuation?
Step right up, any volunteers?
It was an unwinnable exit-less war. There were no goals or cogent strategy.
20 years... we ended the conflict fighting the CHILDREN of the people we fought earlier.
ybbor
(1,552 posts)But thats what Putin wanted the orange anus to do so it was fine.
erronis
(14,952 posts)Obviously working hard and well in the red states.
What are the USSR strategies for winning the 2022 and 2024 national elections?
? right-wing media (fox, newsmax, etc.) - both-sider media (msnbc, cnn)
? reving up the us-vs- them and making sure everyone is armed and hair-triggered
? gerrymandering and making it harder for non-repugs to vote
? throwing lots of rubles (and counterfeit $$s) at the rubes and politicians and lobbyists
? instigating chaos and dissension in the whole world
Don't pick just one. And add to the list. They are master craftsmen.
GoodRaisin
(8,885 posts)samsingh
(17,571 posts)in Afghanistan.
OMGWTF
(3,896 posts)BadgerMom
(2,766 posts)Where was the hue and cry then? Why wasnt that discussed, dissected, despaired over? The reporters who helped serve us TFG are still out there and still doing dirty work.
TrollBuster9090
(5,953 posts)the Kurds were slaughtered by Turkish paramilitaries. There just weren't any TV cameras to video it. Meanwhile, Erdogan and Putin were laughing their asses off at the idiot who just handed them everything they want.
czarjak
(11,191 posts)Blue Owl
(49,914 posts)Johonny
(20,683 posts)truth
KelleyKramer
(8,851 posts)That's how bad it was
xocetaceans
(3,870 posts)By ELLEN KNICKMEYER August 16, 2021
...
American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.
U.S. contractors: 3,846.
Afghan national military and police: 66,000.
Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.
Afghan civilians: 47,245.
...
http://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f
Instead, one might say "no will to be hung out to dry" by Trump's negotiations with the Taliban and the
consequences of that.
One can be mad that Biden is being attacked, but effectively telling the Afghans to go out and cover our retreat
is a bit cowardly if their air support and logistics have been diminished to the point that their soldiers cannot reasonably remain in the fight and hope to live. It's true we cannot sort out their political problems, but we also cannot just say, "Go, die: we have to leave now."
This is not to mention the demoralizing effect of Trump's negotiating with the Taliban and leaving the Afghan government completely out of the negotiations - if one even thinks negotiating with the Taliban is appropriate.
The best lesson for the Biden Administration from this is that all remaining Trump policies should be swiftly discarded and any lingering Trump appointees should be quickly shown the door. Out of sheer caution, nothing that Trump has done should be left standing: by definition, it could be done better if redone or rethought. (Of course, keep the vaccines. Trump likes claiming credit, but that's just because Trump is all about PR. He cannot do substance - note his endless string of bankruptcies.)
iemanja
(53,001 posts)No question. Russia is the one who benefited.
Efilroft Sul
(3,573 posts)He was furious about our pullout Trump's betrayal and he expected to see Turkish tanks roll over the border back then. Thankfully, he was wrong.
momta
(4,076 posts)I've been curious ever since how the Kurdish community are doing.
I was furious too.
Efilroft Sul
(3,573 posts)I met him in a Facebook group that focused on Kurdish issues at the time, and keep in touch with him a lot discussing soccer. He's a big Argentina/Messi fan, so we've had a fun summer rooting on the good guys.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)It's only a bad, evil thing when a Democrat does it.