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babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:34 AM Aug 2021

Ex-Official: Trump Knew Afghan Army Would Surrender, Made Deal Anyway

https://crooksandliars.com/2021/08/john-ratcliffe-taliban-trump


8/19/21 3:58pm
Ex-Official: Trump Knew Afghan Army Would Surrender, Made Deal Anyway
Former Natl. Sec. Dir. John Ratcliffe said that Trump knew that the Afghan military would fall to the Taliban within 48 hours but negotiated a deal to pull U.S. troops out of the country anyway.
By David


Former National Security Director John Ratcliffe on Thursday revealed that former President Donald Trump knew that the Afghan military would fall to the Taliban within 48 hours but negotiated a deal to pull U.S. troops out of the country anyway.

Ratcliffe made the remarks during an appearance on Fox News.

"We had that intelligence when I was DNI," he explained. "All of the discussions including with some of the same military leaders that are still there was if we don't follow these conditions and the Afghan forces are left on their own, how long will this last and the consensus with everyone in the room was not very long."

"And I remember President Trump saying, 'I don't think they'll last two days,'" he added. "And that's why those conditions that [Fox News host Bill Hemmer] mentioned are so important."


Under the original conditions that the Trump administration negotiated with the Taliban, U.S. forces would have withdrawn from Afghanistan in May. President Joe Biden extended that exit until August.
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Ex-Official: Trump Knew Afghan Army Would Surrender, Made Deal Anyway (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2021 OP
And now he and Republican cronies are lying, lying, lying about it Champp Aug 2021 #1
This was an interesting admission Deminpenn Aug 2021 #2
WHAT "transition"? nt Atticus Aug 2021 #3
☝️ Walleye Aug 2021 #4
There was none, and the Trump nuts most likely spent all their time shredding documents. Lonestarblue Aug 2021 #8
My confidence in the judgment of wnylib Aug 2021 #17
It was somewhat abbreviated, but there was one Deminpenn Aug 2021 #14
The Biden transition team was denied access to national security intelligence by MF45. nt CottonBear Aug 2021 #5
Hell No Rebl2 Aug 2021 #9
The generals probably knew IronLionZion Aug 2021 #11
Not So Sure DallasNE Aug 2021 #13
Biden probably knew it was a possibility localroger Aug 2021 #12
Get thee hither to The Greatest Page Champp Aug 2021 #6
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #7
I wonder what parts of this deal aren't public dlk Aug 2021 #10
Did he share this 'insight' with the incoming administration? Mersky Aug 2021 #15
glad this was on Fox....now... bahboo Aug 2021 #16
I'd expect no more... The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2021 #18

Champp

(2,114 posts)
1. And now he and Republican cronies are lying, lying, lying about it
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:43 AM
Aug 2021

Typical Republicans. No ethics, no morals, no true loyalty to American democracy.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
2. This was an interesting admission
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:49 AM
Aug 2021

Would be interesting to know if this information was shared during the transition.

Lonestarblue

(9,981 posts)
8. There was none, and the Trump nuts most likely spent all their time shredding documents.
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 09:35 AM
Aug 2021

I would have expected some better assessments from Biden’s team after they had a chance to talk to people on the ground in Afghanistan and in US intelligence. But after hearing a few interviews of H.R. McMaster, my confidence in military judgment has been reduced significantly.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
17. My confidence in the judgment of
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:50 PM
Aug 2021

certain types of military leaders was reduced the Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
14. It was somewhat abbreviated, but there was one
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:17 AM
Aug 2021

In fact, in the chapter on the insurrection in the Rucker/Leoning book, they recount that Milley was pulled out of a meeting with a Biden transition official.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
13. Not So Sure
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:15 AM
Aug 2021

All of the TV's were tuned to fox News and that would have warped and corrupted their minds. Then Condi Rice the other day said that 20 years is not long enough to root out corruption. Theirs's or ours?

localroger

(3,626 posts)
12. Biden probably knew it was a possibility
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:03 AM
Aug 2021

...for the same reason TFG did. It's kind of obvious when you look at the whole situation with clear eyes, and Biden wanted to get us out when he was Obama's VP. It's a nasty situation but there comes a time when you have to stop throwing good money after bad. The only realistic alternative is to declare the whole place a US territory and plan on being there forever.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
6. Get thee hither to The Greatest Page
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 09:19 AM
Aug 2021

Every media wanker jabbering along about "Biden clucks up in Afghanistan" should have this fact tatooed on their frigging medulla oblongatas, or whatever.

dlk

(11,561 posts)
10. I wonder what parts of this deal aren't public
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 09:49 AM
Aug 2021

When it comes to TFG, it’s usually dirty and corrupt.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
15. Did he share this 'insight' with the incoming administration?
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:13 AM
Aug 2021

How can it be his claims are in such stark contrast to Joint Chiefs Milley’s from a few days ago? He spoke of how estimated weeks to total collapse turned into days.

SIV processing slowed dramatically under Trump - he never intended to get allies out. Is my suspicion that one way or another, he was always going to totally abandon them as just more ‘suckers and losers.’

Was this situation always teed-up as an eventual talking point? What was the real deal they didn’t share?

Lots of questions remain as our troops are getting as many out as possible. Every report of more citizens, allies, and vulnerable people evacuated out of there is a success under the circumstances President Biden was handed.




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