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Trillions of our taxpayer dollars have ended up handing the Taliban world-class military capability. (Original Post) milestogo Aug 2021 OP
Because some people got very very rich off of this scam. Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #1
How would you have handled it? honest.abe Aug 2021 #2
Good question. nt DURHAM D Aug 2021 #3
Perfect question! bluestarone Aug 2021 #5
Take it with or destroy it. milestogo Aug 2021 #14
I can only imagine the outcry if Biden decided to remove/destroy all the military equipment... honest.abe Aug 2021 #18
And, yet, one of the excuses for those who are trying to defend the Afghans Army implosion say Baitball Blogger Aug 2021 #4
Yes snd no NQAS Aug 2021 #6
Yes, maintenance will determine attrition sarisataka Aug 2021 #13
Yes, of course - the thong maintenance corps. harumph Aug 2021 #20
Let's talk about the equipment left behind RustyWheels Aug 2021 #7
too bad our gvnt cant somehow remotely disable or blow up the left over equipment... samnsara Aug 2021 #8
Humvees and M16s don't equate sarisataka Aug 2021 #9
It's just hyperbole fed to us by our for profit media BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #19
Perpetual War, Perpetual Profits bucolic_frolic Aug 2021 #10
It's what we always do HAB911 Aug 2021 #11
Shit has to be maintained. Even so, shit breaks. Then you have to repair it... LuvLoogie Aug 2021 #12
World class? BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #15
Well, now I feel better. milestogo Aug 2021 #16
Cool. BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #17

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
2. How would you have handled it?
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:28 AM
Aug 2021

Take all the military equipment away from the Afghan army prior to our leaving?

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
18. I can only imagine the outcry if Biden decided to remove/destroy all the military equipment...
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 01:23 PM
Aug 2021

prior to leaving or as we were leaving. Once leaving there isnt much option to go back in and get that stuff back other than restarting the war. I dont see any alternative that makes any sense.

Baitball Blogger

(46,705 posts)
4. And, yet, one of the excuses for those who are trying to defend the Afghans Army implosion say
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:36 AM
Aug 2021

that the equipment was antiquated and parts were hard to come by.

So, which is it? Let's be consistent.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
6. Yes snd no
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:36 AM
Aug 2021

Welcome comments by knowledgeable veterans.

This equipment must be maintained. This requires skill that taliban might not have. Then there’s spare parts, from spare tires to gun parts to tracks to ammunition. Sure, lots is probably available on the black market. China might chip in, but this is likely to be costly in many ways.

And that’s apart from operations I hope are under way to destroy some of what remained.

And then there’s weaponry that might end up in the hands of whatever opposition groups evolve.

The usual morass.

sarisataka

(18,648 posts)
13. Yes, maintenance will determine attrition
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:06 PM
Aug 2021

Without anyone to train them, higher tech items will be the first to fall. The desert can be hard on electronics, the users even more.

Simpler items like guns and vehicles can be figured out by people who are mechanically minded. There is a much higher percentage of the population who repairs thongs over there rather than replace as we tend to do. By cannibalizing part from the worst items they will be able to keep some things working for a long time but it will be an ever dwindling inventory.

They are still using Soviet equipment and likely will deal with Russia or China for future needs. The US gear will be around but assuming normal wear and tear will be less than 50% of the inventory in 7-10 years. Much sooner if they get into a full civil war.

sarisataka

(18,648 posts)
9. Humvees and M16s don't equate
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:50 AM
Aug 2021

To a world class military.

How were we supposed not "allow" this to happen. Send our couple thousand troops around the country to collect all of the equipment? Launch air strikes against the Afghan army to destroy it before it could be captured? (That option is still available BTW)

BannonsLiver

(16,384 posts)
19. It's just hyperbole fed to us by our for profit media
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 01:24 PM
Aug 2021

Most people don’t know what constitutes an advanced military.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
10. Perpetual War, Perpetual Profits
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:51 AM
Aug 2021

You have to arm the other side to have a war. No war, no profits. No profits, the 1% are slipping. This cannot be allowed to happen.

HAB911

(8,891 posts)
11. It's what we always do
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:52 AM
Aug 2021

we pay, the military industrial complex and our enemies make out like bandits. we do it over and over and over again

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
12. Shit has to be maintained. Even so, shit breaks. Then you have to repair it...
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:02 PM
Aug 2021

if you know how and if you have the parts.

Any helicopters or tanks they manage to get up into the air or rolling can be disabled by a drone.

BannonsLiver

(16,384 posts)
15. World class?
Fri Aug 20, 2021, 01:10 PM
Aug 2021

Not really. They don’t have any advanced fighters, attack helicopters, strategic bombers, subs, aircraft carriers, cruisers, or tanks.

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