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Wait...wut??!? People are now protesting life saving medical care & ventilators... (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2021 OP
We have changed the protocol... Salviati Aug 2021 #1
Feel free to pass on a ventilator. Because, there is a treatment. It's called the vaccine. LakeArenal Aug 2021 #2
A paranoia is beginning to form among anti-vaxxers that they're going to be left to die Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #3
It's not paranoia if it's true. Nevilledog Aug 2021 #5
They're actually not wrong about being left to die. Girard442 Aug 2021 #7
For sure, but they'll swear it's a giant liberal conspiracy to deny them care, facts be damned (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #9
Well, sure. We Libs said it would happen, so clearly we did it. Logic, dontcha know. Girard442 Aug 2021 #14
Yep, it's called triage, and if the inn is full you get to sleep in the barn... Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #29
They can all fill out Do Not Resuscitate forms if they want struggle4progress Aug 2021 #4
We are on the same page today... FarPoint Aug 2021 #8
I think this person's actual argument is that 'care' is not starting until people are really sick Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #10
I'm guessing the actual argument makes no sense at all struggle4progress Aug 2021 #12
Yes ... but we can simultaneously be correct in our assertions :) nt Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #13
Plenty of them think the ventilators are directly killing the patients. nt. Mariana Aug 2021 #16
Okay. But I think they also (in delusion) believe there's more that can be done to keep them from Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #17
Yes, exactly. Mariana Aug 2021 #19
I love a consensus ... Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #21
That's what I got too. Of course Maru Kitteh Aug 2021 #18
My guess is you're right, written by people who are finally Hortensis Aug 2021 #20
That's my understanding. But why assume antivaxers... TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #23
Bot-Farms trying to spin up bullshit Astroturf 'movements' on Twitter are usually bad writers too Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #25
English as second language ain't so easy. TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #26
Nyet! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #27
A moderator on a Facebook page I'm on died of Covid yesterday NickB79 Aug 2021 #28
There indeed can be a written Do Not Intubate order.... FarPoint Aug 2021 #6
See my post #10 above :) nt Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #11
That's been going on since early on in the pandemic. Mariana Aug 2021 #15
Imagine if critical thinking was formally part of every school's curriculum from 9th to 12th grade? Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #24
Figures. Floriduh MiniMe Aug 2021 #22

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
1. We have changed the protocol...
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:33 PM
Aug 2021

... the protocol is now "get vaccinated and you won't need to be put on a ventilator"

Dumbasses.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. A paranoia is beginning to form among anti-vaxxers that they're going to be left to die
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:39 PM
Aug 2021

for their stupidity (that's my word ... theirs would be 'freedom' or some shit).

That's going to become 'their thing' in the coming weeks, watch. They're not getting 'the care they deserve' kinda bullshit.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
7. They're actually not wrong about being left to die.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:45 PM
Aug 2021

When there are no ICU beds and ventilators available, that's what happens.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
9. For sure, but they'll swear it's a giant liberal conspiracy to deny them care, facts be damned (nt)
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:46 PM
Aug 2021

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
4. They can all fill out Do Not Resuscitate forms if they want
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:43 PM
Aug 2021

Nobody is forcing them to let people save their lives

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. I think this person's actual argument is that 'care' is not starting until people are really sick
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:50 PM
Aug 2021

I think it's not actually anti-ventilator, it's 'why are people being allowed to get sick enough to need ventilators?' type of deal.

IOW, it's poorly worded, presumably by a stupid person.

I could be wrong though.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
17. Okay. But I think they also (in delusion) believe there's more that can be done to keep them from
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:23 PM
Aug 2021

ever needing the 'killer' ventilator ... 'stuff' that they imagine is not happening.

You know, the 'stuff' in the hospital, that's the responsibility of someone else, not the dumbass patient who didn't wear masks or get the shot.

Likely they think it's part of some giant conspiracy by Fauci, Greedy Doctors and Ventilator-making companies.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
19. Yes, exactly.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:29 PM
Aug 2021

They're upset that the doctors aren't giving the patients Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, and various other "treatments" that don't work. That would save them all, you see. Instead, the doctors are killing them on purpose with ventilators.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
18. That's what I got too. Of course
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:25 PM
Aug 2021

they are the ones who are "allowing" themselves to become sick enough to require a vent by denying themselves the care of masks and vaccines but . . . yeah. Stupid.



So, very, stupid.




Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. My guess is you're right, written by people who are finally
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:31 PM
Aug 2021

getting scared and think widespread hospital malpractice is the reason so many people are becoming dreadfully ill, instead of their own delay in seeking care for a virus that's ravaging lungs like nothing seen before.

That said, apparently monoclonal antibody treatment hasn't been offered nearly as much as it should be.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
25. Bot-Farms trying to spin up bullshit Astroturf 'movements' on Twitter are usually bad writers too
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:48 PM
Aug 2021

Just saying.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
28. A moderator on a Facebook page I'm on died of Covid yesterday
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 08:58 PM
Aug 2021

Lots of people asking why the doctors just "sat around" and "let" him die on a ventilator instead of giving him Ivermectin and hydroxychlroquine right away. It's a page dedicated to smallbore target shooting, so it's a LOT of RWers.

Apparently they think they know more than the doctors when it comes to care, and the doctors sat around doing nothing.

FarPoint

(12,359 posts)
6. There indeed can be a written Do Not Intubate order....
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:44 PM
Aug 2021

They can make it legal...just like any other advance directive.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
15. That's been going on since early on in the pandemic.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:14 PM
Aug 2021

The "reasoning" goes like this:

Many Covid-19 patients have died after they've been put on ventilators, therefore, the ventilators must have killed them.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
24. Imagine if critical thinking was formally part of every school's curriculum from 9th to 12th grade?
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:40 PM
Aug 2021

Just as mandatory as English is.

Can you imagine?

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