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What is the history of Ivermectin being suggested as a Covid drug? (Original Post) PA_jen Aug 2021 OP
Where else but Fox DeeDeeNY Aug 2021 #1
fox is killing off their base. Trueblue1968 Aug 2021 #14
All I have heard is that it's actually off patent and really cheap to OnDoutside Aug 2021 #2
Human studies for what? Maru Kitteh Aug 2021 #4
People are getting poisoned from it DeeDeeNY Aug 2021 #9
Yeah that was kinda my point. As in, looks like human studies Maru Kitteh Aug 2021 #19
No, it's in the same way Pfizer and Moderna etc had to do trials and OnDoutside Aug 2021 #23
Since the summer of '20 there have been numerous studies. It has been shown to be ineffective. Klaralven Aug 2021 #12
I heard it from an acquaintance months ago. boston bean Aug 2021 #3
i believe there were some demographics that were not being hit as hard. mopinko Aug 2021 #5
Nature covers a withdrawn preprint paper with echoes of hydroxychloroquine. Eugene Aug 2021 #6
Thank you PA_jen Aug 2021 #13
Trump mentioned it last year, and people started taking it in African countries. milestogo Aug 2021 #7
Reminds me of Lawrence O'Donnell treestar Aug 2021 #22
I saw it suggested on another website AZProgressive Aug 2021 #8
Not surprised at all those shit-wits are a a twitter for sheep dip. nt Maru Kitteh Aug 2021 #20
there is zero science supporting use of ivermectin -- AVOID and do NOT discuss cadoman Aug 2021 #10
I just wanted to understand because my anti-vax/covid-hoax sister will bring this up PA_jen Aug 2021 #15
Antiviral Activity of Ivermectin Against SARS-CoV-2: An Old-Fashioned Dog with a New Trick--A Literat Klaralven Aug 2021 #11
Thank you PA_jen Aug 2021 #16
Phil Valentine was a fan of ivermectin. LisaL Aug 2021 #17
I am a practising medic. anamnua Aug 2021 #18
Im not going to put this down because I really hope it turns out to be Raine Aug 2021 #21

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
2. All I have heard is that it's actually off patent and really cheap to
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:37 PM
Aug 2021

manufacture, however there haven't been enough human studies into it yet.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
19. Yeah that was kinda my point. As in, looks like human studies
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:18 PM
Aug 2021

are being done by remarkably stupid humans as we speak.


OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
23. No, it's in the same way Pfizer and Moderna etc had to do trials and
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:17 AM
Aug 2021

peer reviewed studies on their vaccines before they were approved for use on humans.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
12. Since the summer of '20 there have been numerous studies. It has been shown to be ineffective.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:13 PM
Aug 2021

The few studies with positive results are typically with small sample sizes and likely statistical flukes. If you run enough small studies, some will turn up positive just by chance. Meta-analyses that combine the studies do not show an effect.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
3. I heard it from an acquaintance months ago.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:38 PM
Aug 2021

She was saying they were hiding a cure to help big pharma. And the vaccines were poison.

She is batshit. And I would have never thought of her to be so nuts. She has really been foxified and qanoned.

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
5. i believe there were some demographics that were not being hit as hard.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:40 PM
Aug 2021

there are a couple countries where it is a common med, and they had low covid numbers.
that was fairly early on. i saw a small study out of australia that had promising numbers.

that's about it tho.

Eugene

(61,881 posts)
6. Nature covers a withdrawn preprint paper with echoes of hydroxychloroquine.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:41 PM
Aug 2021

Plagiarism, cherry picking, etc.

Flawed ivermectin preprint highlights challenges of COVID drug studies

The paper’s withdrawal is not the first scandal to dog studies of ivermectin and COVID-19. Hill thinks many of the other ivermectin trial papers that he has scanned are likely to be flawed or statistically biased. Many rely on small sample sizes or were not randomized or well controlled, he says. And in 2020, an observational study of the drug was withdrawn after scientists raised concerns about it and a few other papers using data by the company Surgisphere that investigated a range of repurposed drugs against COVID-19. “We’ve seen a pattern of people releasing information that’s not reliable,” says Hill. “It’s hard enough to do work on COVID and treatment without people distorting databases.”


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
7. Trump mentioned it last year, and people started taking it in African countries.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:42 PM
Aug 2021

Its really dangerous for a non-medical person to weigh in on these things.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. Reminds me of Lawrence O'Donnell
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:51 PM
Aug 2021

When trump recommended the other drug:

“Donald trump is not a doctor ! Donald Trump is not a medical expert! Do not take medical advice from Donald Trump!”

Dumb magats!

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
8. I saw it suggested on another website
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:51 PM
Aug 2021

I haven’t been back soon after that drug was suggested. I call it a tree website now.

PA_jen

(1,114 posts)
15. I just wanted to understand because my anti-vax/covid-hoax sister will bring this up
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:29 PM
Aug 2021

sooner or later and I want the info to debunk her. I also believe someone will profit from this mis-information.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
11. Antiviral Activity of Ivermectin Against SARS-CoV-2: An Old-Fashioned Dog with a New Trick--A Literat
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:03 PM
Aug 2021
Antiviral Activity of Ivermectin Against SARS-CoV-2: An Old-Fashioned Dog with a New Trick—A Literature Review

Published: 17 August 2020

Abstract

The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic is a major global threat. With no effective antiviral drugs, the repurposing of many currently available drugs has been considered. One such drug is ivermectin, an FDA-approved antiparasitic agent that has been shown to exhibit antiviral activity against a broad range of viruses. Recent studies have suggested that ivermectin inhibits the replication of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), thus suggesting its potential for use against COVID-19. This review has summarized the evidence derived from docking and modeling analysis, in vitro and in vivo studies, and results from new investigational drug protocols, as well as clinical trials, if available, which will be effective in supporting the prospective use of ivermectin as an alternative treatment for COVID-19


https://www.mdpi.com/2218-0532/88/3/36

The first study published was probably this one:

Caly, L.; Druce, J.D.; Catton, M.G.; Jans, D.A.; Wagstaff, K.M. The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits
the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro. Antivir. Res. 2020, 178, 104787.

Abstract
Although several clinical trials are now underway to test possible therapies, the worldwide response to the COVID-19 outbreak has been largely limited to monitoring/containment. We report here that Ivermectin, an FDA-approved anti-parasitic previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity in vitro, is an inhibitor of the causative virus (SARS-CoV-2), with a single addition to Vero-hSLAM cells 2 h post infection with SARS-CoV-2 able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in viral RNA at 48 h. Ivermectin therefore warrants further investigation for possible benefits in humans.


Note that a study conducted on cell cultures in a lab is only the first step, and that in many cases it does not translate into a drug that is effective in humans. In particular, this study has been criticized for using concentrations of ivermectin that are not achievable in human tissue with known safe doses.

anamnua

(1,110 posts)
18. I am a practising medic.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:07 PM
Aug 2021

The jury is still out on it and the results of large scale trials are eagerly awaited. Therefore the sensible thing is to suspend judgement. It would be great if it turns out to be the real deal -- dirt cheap, off patent, old as the hills (and therefore tried and trusted) and easy to manufacture.
Even in a best case scenario though it is not a substitute for vaccination -- just another important weapon in the arsenal.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
21. Im not going to put this down because I really hope it turns out to be
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:33 PM
Aug 2021

an effective drug that can be used for treatment. 🙏

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