He doesn't want to kill anyone

[teach1st]

This was posted to one of my local teacher groups on Facebook



The poster writes:

Feeling helpless like a lot of you, so I posted the below versions of some comparisons I've seen/thought of on my social medias. Feel free to share or make one of your own. It doesn't do anything, but at least it *feels* like it's doing something.

"My kid loves being naked, but he's ok wearing clothes to school. He doesn't want other kids to feel uncomfortable.
My kid loves peanut butter, but he's ok not taking PB to his nut-free school. He doesn't want to kill anyone.
My kid's teacher loves cigarettes, but she's ok not smoking in class. She doesn't want to kill anyone.
My kid doesn't love wearing a mask, but he's ok wearing it.
He doesn't want to kill anyone.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Everything has to be broken down in child like terms for the information to sink in.

It is like we are a nation of kids.

[Trueblue1968]

21. i will post as my profile picture on fb

[Moebym]

2. The more time that passes

The more I'm convinced the anti-mask and anti-vax crowd is deriving pleasure from the knowledge that they're killing others. It's a power thing, and what greater power can a person have than the power to take a life?

[druidity33]

3. most smokers would quit if they could...

nobody "loves cigarettes". And nobody is going to die from being in a room with someone after they had a cigarette. Just sayin'...

[teach1st]

4. I love cigarettes

Sorry

[slightlv]

13. I'm with you...

that's why I haven't quit. I honestly don't want to. I enjoy it, and it helps keep me calm when politics or Trump comes up in conversations. Besides, when it comes to small groups who gather outside, the smokers always seem to be the most fun, and the people the most considerate - we tend to move away from others and take note of which way the wind is blowing, etc.

[Ziggysmom]

5. Someone with severe asthma could potentially die after inhaling cigarette smoke.

[Celerity]

10. they did not mention being in the same room whilst the person was smoking

nobody is going to die from being in a room with someone after they had a cigarette

you cannot ban smokers simply because they smoked a cigarette in the past but are not actively smoking around others

[ashredux]

6. From the CDC...

Causes Lung Cancer
Secondhand Smoke Causes SIDS
Secondhand Smoke Harms Children
References
Secondhand smoke is the combination of smoke from the burning end of a cigarette and the smoke breathed out by smokers. Secondhand smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals. Hundreds are toxic and about 70 can cause cancer.1,2,3,4

Since the 1964 Surgeon General’s Report, 2.5 million adults who were nonsmokers died because they breathed secondhand smoke.1

There is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.
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IT DOES KILL

[Celerity]

11. non sequitur

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215782215#post10

[ashredux]

12. He implies secondhand smoke will not harm you. It will

[druidity33]

23. please read what i WROTE, not 'implied'. nt.

[Celerity]

25. no they did not imply that, that is projection, sorry nt

[ashredux]

7. Your wrong....

Q Causes Lung Cancer
Secondhand Smoke Causes SIDS
Secondhand Smoke Harms Children
References
Secondhand smoke is the combination of smoke from the burning end of a cigarette and the smoke breathed out by smokers. Secondhand smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals. Hundreds are toxic and about 70 can cause cancer.1,2,3,4

Since the 1964 Surgeon General’s Report, 2.5 million adults who were nonsmokers died because they breathed secondhand smoke.1

There is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.

[BlueTsunami2018]

8. That's not necessarily true.

I smoke because I like smoking. I’ve quit for years at time and when I feel like smoking, I do. When I don’t want to, I don’t. It’s not really that big of a deal for me.

[Wounded Bear]

9. I quit believing that about 30 years ago or so...

Only 10 or so years after I quit.

As an addictive type personality I know for a fact that the most important factor in quitting something is 'want to.' When someone really wants to quit something they generally go through the steps necessary to achieve that. If they don't really want to quit, they won't. Most addicts don't really want to quit, because they enjoy how their addiction feels.

Oh, and second hand smoke really is dangerous.

[Hekate]

16. Second-hand smoke damage is a real thing. I was marinated in cigarette smoke my first 21 years

Yes, from conception until I left home for college in another state. My brother had asthma — but in those days it was thought there was a psychosomatic component to asthma, so of course he didn’t have asthma, he had chronic bronchitis. In adulthood, when we were in charge of our own medical care, it turned out my sis and I had asthma. She and I never smoked.

One reason we no longer have smoking on US airplanes is, among other things, a lawsuit by stewardesses who were trapped in those metal tubes and got lung cancer — but they had to find stews who could swear they’d never smoked, so iirc they rounded up some Mormons.

Fine by me if someone loves their habit (well, not really, my daughter is hooked) as long as they do it in the great outdoors downwind of me.

[druidity33]

24. I choose my words carefully...

what i said was "no one is going to die from walking through a room where someone smoked a cigarette". The 7 replies of hyperbolic SMOKE CAN KILL YOU! really just means no one read what i wrote. Of course 2nd hand smoke is dangerous. Growing up in a home with it can cause serious health repercussions... But if people DIED from the residual smoke of 1 (that's ONE cigarette, i said, not a lifetime of them) cigarette... then there wouldn't be too many people around.

The point i was getting at was that it's not like Covid. Where literally breathing someone's air ONCE! can kill you.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

14. I am constantly amazed at those who defend and support smoking.

So when you are in the hospital dying of lung cancer or some other smoking related disease, I will have no problem visiting you and saying something like, "You stupid fuck. You brought this upon yourself."

Oh, and those who think we shouldn't hospitalize anti-vaccers who now have Covid, need to be equally comfortable not treating a smoker with lung cancer or COPD or whatever. Personally, I'm the same with both.

I've had it with smokers defending their smoking. They say crap like "It doesn't hurt anyone else," but they are wrong. It hurts spouses, children, siblings. But if you're okay with no medical care, then I'm okay with your smoking.

I grew up in the 1950's. The official statistics are that in the mid 50s some two thirds of all men, and half of all women smoked. In reality, because those over the age of 60 or 70 at that point were mostly non-smokers, I can tell you from experience that in the mid 50's over three-quarters of all men and two-thirds of all women smoked. I'd be hard pressed to name a single parent of my friends who did not smoke. Essentially, they all did.

One of the things I find odd and unrealistic about Stephen King's novel 11/22/63, is that the main character goes back from 1990something to the late 1950s, and while he sort of notices teachers smoking in the teacher's lounge, he does not otherwise comment on it. In reality, if that man had himself been a smoker he'd have thought he'd died and gone to heaven because now he could smoke anywhere and everywhere. If, on the other hand, he was a non-smoker, he'd have been horrified, appalled, and gagging on the smoke.

[teach1st]

15. The OP isn't about that

Try to focus on the spirit of the original post. It isn't that hard.

Upstream, I posted that I love cigarettes, and I do, most likely as a defense or coping mechanism against all of the other horrible addictions I've lived through (I'm not AA, but I know that they are some heavy smokers). I don't smoke near anybody else ever. Other than that, I don't defend smoking. The point is, I love something, as did child's teacher in the OP, but I realize my love for it, my freedom to smoke, doesn't negate my obligations to others to keep my smoking away from them.

We have to balance our enjoyments, our personal freedoms, with how they can negatively affect others as best we can. We don't like masks, but we wear them to protect others. We like to drive fast, but we don't because it can negatively affect others.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

17. Ummm, several posts in this thread are about that.

You might love cigarettes, but there is absolutely nothing good about them, even as a coping mechanism. "I think I'll suck in cancer smoke, because it helps me to cope with stress" just does not seem like a valid excuse.

Oh, and I don't know if you are this way, but the smokers who think because they go outside to smoke and so no one can tell they are smoking, are delusional. Trust me, when you come back inside you reek, and we can tell you've been smoking. We are just too polite to point that out.

[teach1st]

18. The OP

I live alone and never, ever smoke outside. I'm too considerate. I make sure I shower and don't smoke before going to see family or friends. I don't use filters because they don't biodegrade.

Cigarettes are bad. I don't wish them on anybody. You're welcome to visit me in the hospital and call me a stupid fuck. I've made my peace with my life. I still like 'em. Focus on the OP.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

19. If you never, ever smoke outside,

are you always smoking inside? Oh, dear.

[teach1st]

20. Yes, it's quite a cleaning chore

The purpose of the OP is this: We don't want to kill anybody else. We are considerate that way. I wear a mask because I don't want to kill anybody else. Have a good evening or night or morning, whichever fits your situation.

[lunatica]

22. I quit smoking 25 years ago.

No regrets whatsoever. Don’t miss it. Rarely even think about it.