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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsReuters: At least 12 US soldiers KIA at Kabul Airport.
https://www.reuters.com/world/least-10-us-troops-believed-killed-kabul-blasts-official-2021-08-26/The count of U.S. troops believed to have been killed in Thursday's Kabul blasts has increased to 12, according to U.S. officials citing initial information that can change.
Other sources I follow confirm 13 dead, 20 injured including 10 in Critical Condition... A very sad day.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)And we're not even gone yet.
There's going to be pressure on Biden to retaliate at minimum, and maybe to escalate.
for the lost and their families and loved ones
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)What happens when the 100, 400, 1000? US citizens in the country if they get captured and tortured/killed???
This is a major, major catastrophe... and I hope Joe passes out pink slips like a 11 year old boy on Valentines Day at school passing out V-Day cards.
How about the 24 schoolkids from San Diego?
W_HAMILTON
(7,864 posts)It's a shame that Americans died today because some other Americans were selfish and did not heed the call when our country told them to leave immediately weeks ago.
After today's attack, I am more likely to support ending the evacuation process on 8/31 and getting out of that hell hole. There are no good options and there has not been ever since Bush failed to execute the mission in that country and instead dragged us into Iraq. This was inevitable, unless we stayed there permanently, for decades more into the future, which was even a worse solution than what we are seeing unfold.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)But the public WILL NOT stand for victim blaming and it's a political loser.
One more time. I hear ya... you're right. But it's a political LOSER to repeat it.
Irish_Dem
(47,034 posts)WarGamer
(12,440 posts)the RIGHT is already calling on Biden to send troops in
Irish_Dem
(47,034 posts)I think he is going to stick to his guns.
He is doing the right thing and he is not going to be tricked into a reversal of his decision.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)Just keep getting people out and hope for no more terrorist attacks
Irish_Dem
(47,034 posts)WarGamer
(12,440 posts)But NO boots on the ground.
ZERO.
Irish_Dem
(47,034 posts)He knows the Joint Chiefs have lied bold face to him. Maybe he can trust Burns the CIA director he appointed to lay out the
military options.
I guess we are going to have to trust Joe on this one.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)A bunch of people need to be FIRED for this fuck-up.
Irish_Dem
(47,034 posts)Some heads should roll when this is all over.
EndlessWire
(6,526 posts)He still has to evacuate the troops protecting the rear. The Taliban failed to stop ISIS. The killing of innocent, unarmed civilians is horrific enough, but killing our soldiers is intolerable. Of course he is doing the right thing. We will be better off without deployment to Afghanistan. But, getting the last of the transports off is of great importance. It's not been perfect, but we are doing well. We might need extra troops there, though. And, then we are gone. Long time coming.
Irish_Dem
(47,034 posts)He has some decisions to make.
ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)He is too experienced and seasoned to fall for something like this. He's already shown us that he's capable of making the hard decisions and taking the resulting heat. He'll stand strong.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)The media breathlessly told us the US withdrawal saw the Taliban moving in, taking control, etc like it was done deal.
Civil war looks imminent
Irish_Dem
(47,034 posts)Unless the Taliban can get control of the country and do it fast, there could be civil war yes.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Civil war implications for surrounding countries OMG
Yet, for the US to stay they'd essentially be working to support the....Taliban
My mind goes fuzzy at this point
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Taliban hate ISIS
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)Just like Sunni hate Shiites
UNTIL the common enemy, the US comes into the picture when all of a sudden they can work together... against US.
They're all varying levels of Religious fanatics.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)They said that bizarre as it may seem, the U.S. and Taliban might work together against ISIS, because they both despise ISIS, and the Taliban want to get control, and the U.S. doesnt want ISIS to gain a foothold there.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)I think the average Taliban soldier is just fine with the average IS-K soldier.
Maybe the Taliban LEADERS just want to consolidate POWER and thus, hate the IS-K and AQ. And the international pressure is on them to say precisely that.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)by an outside end times cult like ISIS blowing up some departing American soldiers. ?? And promising more mayhem. Apparently the Taliban has always sold itself as provider of "law and order" (read safety and security).
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I will say besides the human catastrophe a political one is occurring too.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)But I'm terrified what happens if 3 or 20 or 100 Americans wind up in IS-K hands and are seen on Social Media or Al Jazeera suffering... it could set off an enormous rightward movement in this nation.
And sorry for sounding like a fear monger
wryter2000
(46,040 posts)If the Taliban doesn't like these guys if they'd let us do some kind of surgical strike against them.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)I went back and looked and you'd have to go back to August of 2011 when helicopter was shot down and killed 30.
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)May there be no more...
ColinC
(8,291 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)WarGamer
(12,440 posts)I agree... the gravity of this thing hasn't even hit us yet...
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)WarGamer
(12,440 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)the warnings
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)We were warned in the last 24 hours, clear and convincing warnings... of an impending IS attack.
And re: body armor... it doesn't help against an explosive force.
The shock wave of an explosion literally breaks bones and bursts organs from 10 feet to 40 feet away depending on the bomb. It's not just pieces of fragmentation that does the killing.
Sorry for the graphic details.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)together to be taken out by one (or two) blasts.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)I don't know HOW they got within range of so many troops.
With ample warning... how were we screening evacuees and manning the gates?
I want MASS firings.
I do NOT want Biden playing the "buck stops with me" bullshit...
Biden didn't fuck this up. He doesn't deserve the blame. He needs to start firing fools.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)It's such an awful event.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)The AP reports there were two bombers as well as gunmen. So it may not have been one bomb.
This is just so sad all around.
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WarGamer
(12,440 posts)It's some General, they talked about him on CNN a couple nights ago... he should be first to get a pink slip.