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WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:10 PM Aug 2021

Reuters: At least 12 US soldiers KIA at Kabul Airport.

https://www.reuters.com/world/least-10-us-troops-believed-killed-kabul-blasts-official-2021-08-26/

The count of U.S. troops believed to have been killed in Thursday's Kabul blasts has increased to 12, according to U.S. officials citing initial information that can change.

Other sources I follow confirm 13 dead, 20 injured including 10 in Critical Condition... A very sad day.
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Reuters: At least 12 US soldiers KIA at Kabul Airport. (Original Post) WarGamer Aug 2021 OP
Terrorist attacks, which the Taliban pledged to stop in that country Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #1
This is going to get unbelievably ugly. WarGamer Aug 2021 #2
They were told to evacuate weeks, if not months, ago. W_HAMILTON Aug 2021 #30
You're right... factually correct. WarGamer Aug 2021 #32
Maybe that is what someone wants. For Biden to escalate. Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #3
You got that right!! WarGamer Aug 2021 #6
I seriously doubt Biden is going to fall for a set up. Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #11
He CAN NOT go back in WarGamer Aug 2021 #13
Yep, I agree. And I think Joe does too! Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #16
I wouldn't mind the occasional Hellfire missile dropping into a bad guys window... WarGamer Aug 2021 #20
I don't know what Joe is going to do. He has some tough decisions now. Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #39
I trust him 100%... way more than the clowns at DoD and State. WarGamer Aug 2021 #40
Yep, agreed. I trust Biden more than any of the others. Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #42
I think he should turn some troops around. EndlessWire Aug 2021 #38
We shall see what Joe is going to do. I am sending him prayers right now. Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #41
No, Joe will not be tricked! ShazzieB Aug 2021 #45
That means the Taliban isn't in charge either leftstreet Aug 2021 #7
Yes that is what I think it means too. Irish_Dem Aug 2021 #14
This is bizarre leftstreet Aug 2021 #18
Taliban, IS, AQ... all brothers from a different mother! WarGamer Aug 2021 #15
Not really leftstreet Aug 2021 #24
Wink wink... WarGamer Aug 2021 #25
CNN Was Discussing This SoCalDavidS Aug 2021 #35
I'll believe that when I see it. WarGamer Aug 2021 #37
I don't see that Afghanistan's own Sunni Muslim Taliban itself is really hurt Hortensis Aug 2021 #43
I have been keeping my counsel to myself. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #8
I don't want to sound like a fear monger or "concern troll" WarGamer Aug 2021 #31
I wonder wryter2000 Aug 2021 #4
12 dead makes today the deadliest day for US troops in over 10 years inwiththenew Aug 2021 #5
Wrenching. hlthe2b Aug 2021 #10
RIP patriots ColinC Aug 2021 #9
Awful... but that seems hard to believe honestly LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #12
Hard to believe or not, it's true... WarGamer Aug 2021 #17
OK, WaPo is reporting it now LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #19
Reuters and AP reported it before WaPo WarGamer Aug 2021 #21
still unsure about how 12 armored soldiers were taken out by one bomber particularly after LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #22
you're right, 100% WarGamer Aug 2021 #29
Yes, just operationally it seems like that many soldiers shouldn't have been close enough LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #33
Again... 100% agree WarGamer Aug 2021 #34
Agreed-- I hope we can get some details on this tragedy LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #36
With the caveat that initial reports often turn out to be false... BlueCheeseAgain Aug 2021 #44
Post removed Post removed Aug 2021 #23
Yes, we actually know who is responsible for losing Bagram. WarGamer Aug 2021 #26
what needs to happen is some of that Taliban money goes to those soldiers' families rockfordfile Aug 2021 #27
Send in the drones! SYFROYH Aug 2021 #28
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. Terrorist attacks, which the Taliban pledged to stop in that country
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:15 PM
Aug 2021

And we're not even gone yet.

There's going to be pressure on Biden to retaliate at minimum, and maybe to escalate.

for the lost and their families and loved ones

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
2. This is going to get unbelievably ugly.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:19 PM
Aug 2021

What happens when the 100, 400, 1000? US citizens in the country if they get captured and tortured/killed???

This is a major, major catastrophe... and I hope Joe passes out pink slips like a 11 year old boy on Valentines Day at school passing out V-Day cards.

How about the 24 schoolkids from San Diego?

W_HAMILTON

(7,864 posts)
30. They were told to evacuate weeks, if not months, ago.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:43 PM
Aug 2021

It's a shame that Americans died today because some other Americans were selfish and did not heed the call when our country told them to leave immediately weeks ago.

After today's attack, I am more likely to support ending the evacuation process on 8/31 and getting out of that hell hole. There are no good options and there has not been ever since Bush failed to execute the mission in that country and instead dragged us into Iraq. This was inevitable, unless we stayed there permanently, for decades more into the future, which was even a worse solution than what we are seeing unfold.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
32. You're right... factually correct.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:46 PM
Aug 2021

But the public WILL NOT stand for victim blaming and it's a political loser.

One more time. I hear ya... you're right. But it's a political LOSER to repeat it.

Irish_Dem

(47,034 posts)
11. I seriously doubt Biden is going to fall for a set up.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:24 PM
Aug 2021

I think he is going to stick to his guns.

He is doing the right thing and he is not going to be tricked into a reversal of his decision.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
20. I wouldn't mind the occasional Hellfire missile dropping into a bad guys window...
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:32 PM
Aug 2021

But NO boots on the ground.

ZERO.

Irish_Dem

(47,034 posts)
39. I don't know what Joe is going to do. He has some tough decisions now.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:20 PM
Aug 2021

He knows the Joint Chiefs have lied bold face to him. Maybe he can trust Burns the CIA director he appointed to lay out the
military options.

I guess we are going to have to trust Joe on this one.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
40. I trust him 100%... way more than the clowns at DoD and State.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:22 PM
Aug 2021

A bunch of people need to be FIRED for this fuck-up.

Irish_Dem

(47,034 posts)
42. Yep, agreed. I trust Biden more than any of the others.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:24 PM
Aug 2021

Some heads should roll when this is all over.

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
38. I think he should turn some troops around.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:12 PM
Aug 2021

He still has to evacuate the troops protecting the rear. The Taliban failed to stop ISIS. The killing of innocent, unarmed civilians is horrific enough, but killing our soldiers is intolerable. Of course he is doing the right thing. We will be better off without deployment to Afghanistan. But, getting the last of the transports off is of great importance. It's not been perfect, but we are doing well. We might need extra troops there, though. And, then we are gone. Long time coming.

Irish_Dem

(47,034 posts)
41. We shall see what Joe is going to do. I am sending him prayers right now.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:22 PM
Aug 2021

He has some decisions to make.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
45. No, Joe will not be tricked!
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:45 PM
Aug 2021

He is too experienced and seasoned to fall for something like this. He's already shown us that he's capable of making the hard decisions and taking the resulting heat. He'll stand strong.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
7. That means the Taliban isn't in charge either
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:22 PM
Aug 2021

The media breathlessly told us the US withdrawal saw the Taliban moving in, taking control, etc like it was done deal.

Civil war looks imminent

Irish_Dem

(47,034 posts)
14. Yes that is what I think it means too.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:29 PM
Aug 2021

Unless the Taliban can get control of the country and do it fast, there could be civil war yes.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
18. This is bizarre
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:32 PM
Aug 2021

Civil war implications for surrounding countries OMG

Yet, for the US to stay they'd essentially be working to support the....Taliban

My mind goes fuzzy at this point

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
25. Wink wink...
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:37 PM
Aug 2021

Just like Sunni hate Shiites

UNTIL the common enemy, the US comes into the picture when all of a sudden they can work together... against US.

They're all varying levels of Religious fanatics.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
35. CNN Was Discussing This
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:00 PM
Aug 2021

They said that bizarre as it may seem, the U.S. and Taliban might work together against ISIS, because they both despise ISIS, and the Taliban want to get control, and the U.S. doesn’t want ISIS to gain a foothold there.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
37. I'll believe that when I see it.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:03 PM
Aug 2021

I think the average Taliban soldier is just fine with the average IS-K soldier.

Maybe the Taliban LEADERS just want to consolidate POWER and thus, hate the IS-K and AQ. And the international pressure is on them to say precisely that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. I don't see that Afghanistan's own Sunni Muslim Taliban itself is really hurt
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:32 PM
Aug 2021

by an outside end times cult like ISIS blowing up some departing American soldiers. ?? And promising more mayhem. Apparently the Taliban has always sold itself as provider of "law and order" (read safety and security).

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. I have been keeping my counsel to myself.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:23 PM
Aug 2021

I will say besides the human catastrophe a political one is occurring too.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
31. I don't want to sound like a fear monger or "concern troll"
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:43 PM
Aug 2021

But I'm terrified what happens if 3 or 20 or 100 Americans wind up in IS-K hands and are seen on Social Media or Al Jazeera suffering... it could set off an enormous rightward movement in this nation.

And sorry for sounding like a fear monger

wryter2000

(46,040 posts)
4. I wonder
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:20 PM
Aug 2021

If the Taliban doesn't like these guys if they'd let us do some kind of surgical strike against them.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
5. 12 dead makes today the deadliest day for US troops in over 10 years
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:21 PM
Aug 2021

I went back and looked and you'd have to go back to August of 2011 when helicopter was shot down and killed 30.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
29. you're right, 100%
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:41 PM
Aug 2021

We were warned in the last 24 hours, clear and convincing warnings... of an impending IS attack.

And re: body armor... it doesn't help against an explosive force.

The shock wave of an explosion literally breaks bones and bursts organs from 10 feet to 40 feet away depending on the bomb. It's not just pieces of fragmentation that does the killing.

Sorry for the graphic details.

LymphocyteLover

(5,644 posts)
33. Yes, just operationally it seems like that many soldiers shouldn't have been close enough
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:51 PM
Aug 2021

together to be taken out by one (or two) blasts.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
34. Again... 100% agree
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:55 PM
Aug 2021

I don't know HOW they got within range of so many troops.

With ample warning... how were we screening evacuees and manning the gates?

I want MASS firings.

I do NOT want Biden playing the "buck stops with me" bullshit...

Biden didn't fuck this up. He doesn't deserve the blame. He needs to start firing fools.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
44. With the caveat that initial reports often turn out to be false...
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:39 PM
Aug 2021

The AP reports there were two bombers as well as gunmen. So it may not have been one bomb.

This is just so sad all around.

Response to WarGamer (Original post)

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
26. Yes, we actually know who is responsible for losing Bagram.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 03:38 PM
Aug 2021

It's some General, they talked about him on CNN a couple nights ago... he should be first to get a pink slip.

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