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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 09:36 PM Aug 2021

I'm listening to an interview with CNN's Clarissa Ward, and...

anyone complaining about msm should check out her story. She's got a memoir coming out.

She's just back from 3 weeks with the Taliban, and what a hellish ride that was. At one point she and her translator were about to be killed, but at the last second one of the leaders said they were OK.

She has some excellent insights as to just what drives the Taliban, and what it's like to live there.

It's today's Fresh Air, and if anyone wants a link, I can get one when I get back to the computer.

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I'm listening to an interview with CNN's Clarissa Ward, and... (Original Post) TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 OP
I have seen her reporting on CNN KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #1
Later on in the interview, which was yesterday before the bombing... TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #3
Kick dalton99a Aug 2021 #2
+1 Johonny Aug 2021 #16
She's been on CNN in the morning a lot the last couple weeks FoxNewsSucks Aug 2021 #4
Bigger risks than some of those blowhards behind the desks. TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #5
No shit. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2021 #6
HaHaHaHaHa!!! ShazzieB Aug 2021 #8
Caught that interview, highly recommended for the inside view of the local perception of the taliban JudyM Aug 2021 #7
"Beauty in the rubble" Jetheels Aug 2021 #9
Not to be a debbie downer, but babylonsister Aug 2021 #10
If it bleeds it leads... Do you think they would get much traction from a orderly exit? mitch96 Aug 2021 #11
Agree. If she had been on Omaha Beach with the 1st Division she would have said all is lost. kairos12 Aug 2021 #12
So that's all you got? FWIW, we haven't evacuated 50,000 Afghans, it's... TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #22
Relax. No one said she was a bad person. babylonsister Aug 2021 #24
Nobody is in wartime. My point about her is she gives it her best shot. Every... TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #27
brave, perhaps, but that doesn't make her coverage legitimate bigtree Aug 2021 #13
Says who? Peabody and Murrow awards and 7 Emmys... TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #14
in 1972 Rivera won a Peabody Award bigtree Aug 2021 #18
What about his 7 Emmys? You haven't given any reasons why she is suspect, so... TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #20
I told you straight up why I didn't like or agree with her coverage bigtree Aug 2021 #21
The awards simply symbolize the respect she has in the business. Your... TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #26
why do people do this? Why put supposition on top of supposition? bigtree Aug 2021 #28
Explain how a reporter avoids describing what is seen right out in front? She... TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #29
strawman stuff bigtree Aug 2021 #30
Never expected you to agree-- most of what I'm saying is for the silent viewers. TreasonousBastard Aug 2021 #31
Jerry... tonedevil Aug 2021 #15
I actually saw the same criticism of a report she was doing bigtree Aug 2021 #19
She said a week ago that there's no way that we would get 50K out. We did double that. themaguffin Aug 2021 #17
+1 BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #23
and Peter Baker bigtree Aug 2021 #25

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. Later on in the interview, which was yesterday before the bombing...
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 09:46 PM
Aug 2021

she predicted a similar bombing as just what ISIS would want to do.

She is a treasure.

dalton99a

(81,486 posts)
2. Kick
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 09:42 PM
Aug 2021
I think in the sort of upper echelons of the Taliban leadership, it's not that they're trying to court the media, but they definitely want to show that they're cordial, they're welcoming, they're responsible and respectful. The problem you have, as is so often the case in many military and paramilitary structures, what the leaders say up at the top from their nice five-star hotels and what the rank and file say on the ground with their whips and their truncheons, desperately trying to push back these crowds — there's often a disconnect there. And so while I will say that the Taliban [have] a much more coherent chain of command than most, and there's largely very good discipline among the rank and file, there's still always the capacity in that moment for something to go very wrong. ...

Based on my experience with the Taliban, you can't expect them to change. They are largely illiterate. ... They have been fighting since they were old enough to carry a gun. They don't know any other way of life. And the Taliban leadership understands that it could have a problem on its hands if it starts to lose the support of the rank and file and the foot soldiers, that they could be inadvertently pushed into the arms of more extremist groups like al-Qaida or ISIS — there are a number of different extremist terrorist groups that are operating inside Afghanistan — because at the end of the day, these young men have been trained from a young age to kill and to sacrifice and to be killed. And so you can't suddenly strip that away from them and expect them to go and get a job in a bank. It's just not going to happen. ...

I think the Taliban has one advantage on its side, which is that their version of Sharia law may be draconian and harsh, but they have a reputation for implementing swift justice and it's not corrupt. It may be harsh, but it's not corrupt. And so that does gain them a lot of supporters.

I would also say in rural areas, and I think it's hard for a lot of Americans to kind of get their head around this, but women's education and issues like this are really considered tangential to the primary considerations of everyday life. And so whether you're in government-held territory or whether you're in Taliban-held territory, it's just not a focus, things like girls' education. The thing that I heard again and again, both trips I've done in Ghazni and also a year and a half ago, when I was in the north, from a lot of people was, "We don't care who's in charge. We just want peace. We just want to be able to leave our homes without fear of airstrikes or gunfire." And this is interesting to me because it's exactly what the Taliban capitalized on in the late '90s when they came to power, that they were dealing with the populace that was so exhausted and worn down by incessant brutality and violence that they were willing to surrender so many of their rights if they would get security in return.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/26/1031234338/cnn-clasrissa-ward-on-the-taliban-and-afghan-women

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
4. She's been on CNN in the morning a lot the last couple weeks
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:03 PM
Aug 2021

She definitely takes a huge risk to be in the middle of things.

JudyM

(29,241 posts)
7. Caught that interview, highly recommended for the inside view of the local perception of the taliban
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:27 PM
Aug 2021

including how they’re viewed by rural women.
They may be extreme but they’re not corrupt. Worth a second thought.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
9. "Beauty in the rubble"
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 01:22 AM
Aug 2021

That was a great interview, thanks for posting, frightening and fascinating details.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
10. Not to be a debbie downer, but
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 07:26 AM
Aug 2021

this from Eric Boehlert's last essay:

Six days ago, as she prepared her airlifted exit from Kabul, CNN reporter Clarissa Ward declared that the United States’ effort to evacuate thousands of Afghans was doomed to failure. “I'm sitting here for 12 hours in the airport, 8 hours on the airfield and I haven't seen a single US plane take off,” she reported. “How on Earth are you going to evacuate 50,000 people in the next two weeks? It just, it can’t happen.”

Ward seemed to speak for most journalists who lined up for days to condemn President Joe Biden and to predict a perilous future for the Afghanistan capitol. (Talk of “mass murders” and U.S. embassy employees being taken hostage were in the media mix.) Wildly eager to portray the U.S. troop withdrawal as a “humiliating” and “disastrous” “fiasco,” the media were sure the story was going to get much worse.

mitch96

(13,904 posts)
11. If it bleeds it leads... Do you think they would get much traction from a orderly exit?
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 10:23 AM
Aug 2021

I think not... I saw her on Colbert last nite and she was a bit more subdued in her comments. She is taking a great risk.. Most of her colleagues have flown the coop...
Her husband and child must be terrified for her safety.. Then again that's just me... ymmv
m

kairos12

(12,861 posts)
12. Agree. If she had been on Omaha Beach with the 1st Division she would have said all is lost.
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 10:42 AM
Aug 2021

I won't listen to a word she says.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
22. So that's all you got? FWIW, we haven't evacuated 50,000 Afghans, it's...
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:41 PM
Aug 2021

tough enough getting our own out. The Times says there are 250,000 Afghanis waiting, and we're moving about 20,000 bodies a day. All of these numbers are vague and almost impossible to verify.

So, she sits in the airport and says what she sees, interpreting the numbers, and that makes her a bad person?

Too bad she's not Rachel, speaking truth from behind a desk.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
24. Relax. No one said she was a bad person.
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:45 PM
Aug 2021

I also admire her bravery. But she was opining, not reporting what was actually happening. She obviously wasn't privy to everything going on.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
27. Nobody is in wartime. My point about her is she gives it her best shot. Every...
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:50 PM
Aug 2021

war there have been platoons of "correspondents" who stayed at HQ and passed on regimental gossip.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
13. brave, perhaps, but that doesn't make her coverage legitimate
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 11:12 AM
Aug 2021

...I have to agree with sis above. It was subjective reporting - mostly wrong, and not a little contrived.

She reminded me of when Geraldo tried to make himself the story in Afghanistan so many years ago. Lessons not learned, imo.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. Says who? Peabody and Murrow awards and 7 Emmys...
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 11:22 AM
Aug 2021

Nobody's perfect, but you have to make a case if you're going to diss her overall career.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
20. What about his 7 Emmys? You haven't given any reasons why she is suspect, so...
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:31 PM
Aug 2021

all I can go on is what I see of her and her history.

Simple aspersions are meaningless.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
21. I told you straight up why I didn't like or agree with her coverage
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:39 PM
Aug 2021

...accept it or don't.

No one should subjugate their pov to an award someone's won. It's silliness.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
26. The awards simply symbolize the respect she has in the business. Your...
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:48 PM
Aug 2021

personal interpretation is largely irrelevant.

Nobody's perfect, especially in trying circumstances, so one takes the reporting under such circumstances with a certain amount of skepticism, but not dismissal unless there is evidence of deliberate falsehood.

Cronkite, btw, had many of his dispatches "approved" before they went put, and Ernie Pyle may have had some problems.

But, hey, get every word of truth from Rachel's desk and the stooges she has on.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
28. why do people do this? Why put supposition on top of supposition?
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:58 PM
Aug 2021

...you don't know jack about where I get my news from, but keep digging.

Whether Ward is perfect or not, isn't the issue with me.

The problem with her coverage is that's it's contrived and subjective to whatever is right in front of her, often what the Taliban and other want her to see, not necessarily what's relevant or even confirming of her own blather - and blather she has, injecting her own pov as if it's inviolable and correct just by virtue of her being there.

If Ward is your primary source for information on the U.S. occupation or evacuation, you're subject to the limits of her pov and basically using the same myopic frame CNN wants you to use to judge events.

Sad to imagine that's all people paid attention to. And if, as you say, my 'personal interpretation is largely irrelevant,' then so's your own (a point many internet folks have never seemed to grasp).

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
29. Explain how a reporter avoids describing what is seen right out in front? She...
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 01:09 PM
Aug 2021

is not anyone's sole source of info, but has a viewpoint that should be listened to in conjunction with other views. I neither accept her unquestioningly, nor dismiss her for no reason. She is not a Foxbot like Tucker.

I have no idea where you get your news, nor do I care, but you seem to imply that you have some pure sources free of opinion and blindness. There are no such sources-- the only thing to do is find where the flaws are, and include them in your education. Never forget about those blind men and the elephant.

I used to have a lot of fun comparing NY Times articles with WSJ ones on the same topic. Sometimes it seemed like two completely different things they were talking about. But, if you read both stories, you got a glimpse of what was really happening.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
30. strawman stuff
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 01:10 PM
Aug 2021

...no one has to agree with that type of coverage.

It's basically war porn, as far as I'm concerned.

Give it a rest. I'm not going to agree with you.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
19. I actually saw the same criticism of a report she was doing
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:30 PM
Aug 2021

...saying she was exposing her interviewees to retalitory harm, and more.

All of the defensiveness about Ward is understandable because of the RW attacks on her. But I'm speaking to the type of journalism CNN tasked her with which borders on sensationalism, and treats its coverage as unassailable and correct by mere virtue of their presence in a war zone.

You're behind the wrong horse on this one.

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