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I saw the video she released of her driving down the road screaming at a video camera. She didn't get the way she is just from watching a few Trump speeches. Nay, her radicalization was deep and long-lived. Do you think it was her time in the Air Force, or from her upbringing?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)with Obama. Tough, best Prez in my life, with one early in his presidency.
blm
(113,061 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Every white person, especially ex-vets have totally agency. No one can make us believe what we are not pre-determine or at least ready to believe.
Im an Ex-Republican. As many on DU are. Grew up Southern Baptist but believe it or not it was a different church back in the 70s. Non political.
As the church became more political I became more uncomfortable. Eventually became a freethinker. Same with politics. As the Republican Party became more religious based it repelled me. Now Im am a freethinking social democrat. A liberal member of the Democratic Party. International travel helped a lot as well.
That woman was not even religious. She was in a threesome relationship which is cool by me, but not my thing.
She responded to hate. Only hateful people respond to hate. Her death is on her. No scapegoat required.
RockRaven
(14,966 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)add she was having some business financial problems, and over she goesssss...
Easier to scapegoat, then to reflect.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)RockRaven
(14,966 posts)magicarpet
(14,150 posts)... A heavy dose of Christian propaganda in the Air Force,... and a heavy dose of Rush Limbaugh fascist propaganda - unleashed extremist radical right wing Nazi Brown t-shirts once they completed their military hitch and returned back to the streets of AmeriKKKa.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)are so crazy right now.
Explanations are not excuses for sure.
vanlassie
(5,670 posts)I read as much quoting family or others who knew her right after her death. The car video would tend to support this.
GoodRaisin
(8,922 posts)suing the Capitol police instead of Trump.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)That against all odds risked dying against the British 240 years ago mentally ill? They had little chance of winning and were already were among the freest people on earth. Were my ancestors 160 years ago who fought for slavery mentally ill? Was Timothy McVeigh? Or all the repressive dictators of the world?
Humans can be shitty people who do not value the lives of others.
Had the insurrection worked that day and trump was our dictator they would be public heros and thats a fact.
She was a shitty person who chose poorly and ran up against a real hero.
As someone who has family that is truly mentally ill you post is an insult.
vanlassie
(5,670 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)That sane people do shitty things.
vanlassie
(5,670 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)untreated affective disorder, and became a Q-Anon follower, very concerned for children being abused. There was, sounds like, a whole trajectory that was not just about ideology, but also,
personal.
hlthe2b
(102,276 posts)Just as I fear how many police forces have some element of this...
The thoughts that come after that are too dark to consider on a day when Katrina is repeating itself, but it terrifies me.
Chainfire
(17,538 posts)We have sat back and let hate radio send it dark propaganda messages to the people for 30 years. She is a product of our failure. For far too long we have blown off the propaganda as being directed at some tiny fringe. That may have been true in the 90s, but hate sells and now we have 30% of the country foaming at the mouth and looking for blood in the streets.
I guess she thought that people were just going to stand back while they took over the Capitol and hung Nancy Pelosi. She wanted to be the first storm trooper in, she paid the price. The far right needs to understand that their actions my have negative consequences; it is the only thing that they will understand.
She got what she asked for; good riddance.