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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis mass psychosis
Has got to end sometime.
But I fear it will take the mass deaths of the right wing idiots, and true believers, the demise of the assholes peddling lies and bullshit everywhere,
and the total obliteration of the rich monsters who fund this mass psychosis.
We have tried reasoning ,compassion,
tolerance.
We have distanced ourselves and have ended relationships.
What if anything can shake these people out from these lies?
I wonder how many of these bozos are narcissists ?
If they are narcissists,dark triad nothing can fix them.
I really am beginning to think it won't end until they all are ended.
elleng
(130,901 posts)I have little confidence, surely not in human nature.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,470 posts)I wish the cretins funding this shit and perpetuating it were dead. Fuck these monsters and thier freedumb..
Joinfortmill
(14,419 posts)Ziggysmom
(3,407 posts)As technology advanced and everyone got online, along came this ability to hide, to obfuscate and distort facts. The more virtual we become, the more I worry that we abandon science for Facebook memes and snake oil medicine. Now the more virtual our perception of reality becomes, the more we exhibit antisocial, narcissistic and psychopathic behaviors. Conservative media like Fox has created an entire class of people who are believing conservative fiction instead of science and putting themselves at risk of death or lifelong health problems. Each day more people needlessly die. The lies continue to spread. Intolerance and hatred rises to the surface. We lose empathy; we lose compassion; we lose humanity.
Moebym
(989 posts)But I feel that the decline of human civilization is happening in slow motion right in front of our eyes.
We may be closer to those grim sci-fi dystopias with their megacorporations (Facebook, Amazon, or Google, anyone?), extreme social and economic stratification, and advanced technology that alters the human brain than we would like to believe.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)But its only downhill from now on.
Joinfortmill
(14,419 posts)hatrack
(59,585 posts)Particularly on the environmental front.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"civilization" 100, 200, 300 years ago, much less 1000, should make any rational person feel much better about where we are today. In fact, feel wonderful about it.
Some seem to be trying to understand what they're in the middle of without context of history or other nations in today's world to compare it to. MLK wasn't a fool when he said "the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice." He didn't mean the course is always smoothly forward. It's a rough one more like 9 steps back for 10 forward.
As for our times, after extremely little change in the human condition and how people lived over the 20,000 years of the Agricultural Age, our recent advances in civilization have been more like an unstoppable bullet train -- without tracks but somehow always banging and rushing onward.
Right now we've got a major backlash against way too much frightening change, and now another historic setback on that arc is genuinely possible. But if so there's no reason to think it'll be any more permanent than other disasters, including the huge ones of the 1920s-40s when more nations than usual fell to their LW and/or RW extremists and many millions were murdered by their own neighbors.
Btw, surely it's worth thinking about that people here in the U.S. managed to said no to that era's obvious decline of civilization and chose instead to create then-unprecedented prosperity and wellbeing? We have everything we need to do it all over again.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,470 posts)Without empathy.
Why? Because they are like suicide bombers they have fake compassion, to worm themselves into your life they go to innocent people and ruin thier lives like a bomb would destroy a building.
Showing them empathy gets people hurt. And it hurts you too.
You cannot love what seeks to destroy you and others.
You don't become a monster for killing monsters. You become a monster when you say a monster isn't really a monster. You lie about the truth in that way you become a monster.
When I wish psychopaths to die I do it for all the people who would be harmed by the psychopath if he went on abusing.
Joinfortmill
(14,419 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,419 posts)sakabatou
(42,152 posts)I see those as the only way.
TXPaganBanker
(210 posts)I have anti-vax relatives. We've lost six family members to COVID in the past 18 months. It hasn't changed their minds. My mother's pastor died of it. They continued having services in person because that's what he would have wanted.
It goes back to This-Famous-Person says this, or TFG says this. I'm still doing research on the vaccine, I don't know what's in it. My body, my choice. All the excuses, ad nauseam.
I think it will take the COVID death of someone rich, famous, with access to everything medical science has to offer, and them still succumbing to it for it to start sinking in. One of the best things one of these talking heads can do is show that the virus is stronger than money, fame, and power by losing the fight.
I'm not advocating their deaths, but I think that it would actually give some people pause and change some minds.
Joinfortmill
(14,419 posts)meadowlander
(4,395 posts)multigraincracker
(32,676 posts)a long time to end too.
GB_RN
(2,355 posts)About 1000 years, give or take a few, and depending on what you read. When I was in high school, most historians tracked the Dark Ages or Middle Ages as starting from the Fall of Rome in the Fifth Century (476) CE and ending in the late 15th Century CE with the beginning of the Renaissance (which would be around the 1480s).
So, your analogy is kinda gloomy
multigraincracker
(32,676 posts)it might only take two 2,000 years this time.
GB_RN
(2,355 posts)To borrow a quote from Metallica, Sad But True.
Joinfortmill
(14,419 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)go over the edge. And don't forget that the fucking moron gave every nut permission to act even worse than they already did. I think about 12% of the population is a lost cause at this point. Another 12% are on the edge. Someone needs to do a study on this topic. Start with behavior on airplanes.
Irish_Dem
(47,054 posts)The 21st century version is caused by decades of toxic, demonizing propaganda.
And poor education, lack of responsibility and poor judgement.
Resulting in the break down of society and damage to the social contract.
The damage is immense on many levels.
What is the treatment plan?
Ziggysmom
(3,407 posts)other social media. Their "Friends" post misinformation, and they are likely to believe it without question and share it. This confirmation bias multiplies and spreads the lies, and the science denial grows. Because of their religious and political beliefs, they are not open to seek independent evidence and are unwilling to change their mind. So what we have now is a cult of toxic fools inoculated with misinformation and hoaxes, their minds filled with mental antibodies. I fear these morons are beyond saving, and our only hope now is to help prevent people from falling for hoaxes and misinformation in the first place.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)tired of the incessant regurgitation of what her fav Fox host said for the day
Ziggysmom
(3,407 posts)Thank God the company policies overrule their idiocy. It's so hard to stay quiet when you hear them piss and moan about a simple mask!
Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)traitorsgalore
(1,396 posts)I realized it would take tens of thousands of dead republicans for anything to ever sink into their fixed false belief systems. Turns out it's hundreds of thousands.
I told a couple of friends back then and one was absolutely horrified that I could even think of such a thing. Horrific as it is, I was correct.