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dsc

(52,172 posts)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 06:48 PM Aug 2021

The California recall will be very hard to accurately poll

Not all polls are created equal. The higher the turnout in an election the easier it is to poll, and conversely the lower the turnout the harder it is to poll. Why? Because the point of polling, and why polling works with in an MOE, is that a random sample, sufficiently large, will be similar to the population from which it is drawn. If you increase the size of the sample, you reduce the size of the MOE to obtain a chosen level of accuracy. But here is the issue, you draw your sample from the general population (of necessity) and thus you have to figure out a way to make your sample match the voters. People who don't vote are often different from those who do, and thus the pollster needs to find a way to make sure her respondent actually are going to vote. That is easier said than done. So, if you want to know how the recall is going, you have to hope the pollsters have done a good job and look at the votes when you can.

On edit, apparently some pollsters are way under weighting Democrats in the polls to try to account for lower Democratic turnout. But the question becomes how should the Democrats be weighted? It is hard to know but looking at returns should help us know this.

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The California recall will be very hard to accurately poll (Original Post) dsc Aug 2021 OP
Posted here yesterday, Dems were accounting for 56% of ballots returned PortTack Aug 2021 #1
that should be fairly good news. dsc Aug 2021 #2
Polls were showing about 25% of Democrats in favor of recall Sympthsical Aug 2021 #4
I'm expecting we'll win this, and I hope by a percentage much greater than current predictions chia Aug 2021 #3

PortTack

(32,820 posts)
1. Posted here yesterday, Dems were accounting for 56% of ballots returned
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 06:56 PM
Aug 2021

Indy’s approx 18% and gqp approx 22%

dsc

(52,172 posts)
2. that should be fairly good news.
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 07:06 PM
Aug 2021

Assuming he gets 0% of the non Dem ballots he would need to split the Dem ballots 49 to 7 to win by 1. That is getting 87.5% of the Democratic votes.

Sympthsical

(9,181 posts)
4. Polls were showing about 25% of Democrats in favor of recall
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 07:43 PM
Aug 2021

What this means, who knows. I'm cautiously optimistic. Very cautiously.

It depends who votes. And, of course, anyone can just lie about it. "Oh, yeah, sure. Totally did it."

People can be lazy, complacent, stressed, busy. The ballot can easily just become another thing in the mail pile. I returned our ballots first thing, but I have a pile of stuff on the counter I haven't gone through, nor feel any particularly driving animus to deal with.

People are feeling beaten down. That can sap motivation. No one I know is really discussing it outside of online political spaces. There has been a lot of pro-recall sentiment on my NextDoor, which is odd as I live in a pretty Democratic area. Probably speaks to motivation of the pro camp.

Guess we'll find out in two weeks how this all goes.

chia

(2,244 posts)
3. I'm expecting we'll win this, and I hope by a percentage much greater than current predictions
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 07:08 PM
Aug 2021

But after 2016, I'm afraid to 'expect' anything...

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