Until a few weeks ago I never heard about how wonderful our Afghan allies were.

[Dream Girl]

All these heroic vets with their war buddy stories. The warmongers are weaponizing this shit.

[dalton99a]

1. Yep

[joetheman]

22. Remember when some turned on our soldiers and killed them? How son we forget. nt

[doc03]

2. Had no idea. Maybe a few thousand but 123,000 and

still people left behind? There is no number of them we could get out without complaints we left people behind. We can't bring 38 million refugees here.

[Dream Girl]

9. This will go on for years and years.

[H2O Man]

3. Recommended.

This is what happens when you lose a war.

[H2O Man]

5. I think you have

answered your own question. The original mission was to kill those responsible for 9/11. Not to occupy Afghanistan for twenty years. But that original mission was changed, and at the exact moment it was changed, we started on a path that only led to defeat.

It would be singular to think this was anything but a defeat.

[LakeArenal]

6. Whether anyone here thinks we lost,

A friend in Afghanistan thinks we did and his family is freaking scared.

I put it in a loss column.

[H2O Man]

8. Right.

If the US won, there would not be thousands and thousands of people in Afghanistan looking to leave, or living in fear of what is to come now that the US has withdrawn.

[H2O Man]

13. I think that

we really landed on the moon. That, of course, has no more to do with the loss of the war in Afghanistan than where you assume 2 billion people would prefer to live. But it does not assume that everyone on earth wants to be just like us.

[Hortensis]

19. :) Pretty sure it's substantially less. I've never lived overseas,

but I tutored English to students from dozens of nations, and all valued most aspects of their own cultures over ours. They came for opportunities mostly. And even those who preferred America for itself had real disagreements with various of our supposedly enlightened ways. They're not their ways.

Helping people choose topics they felt knowledgeable and passionate about for essays and decide what to put in them often took discussion this direction.

Many to most fully intended to take their education home, and some who had children left them behind with family specifically because they wanted them raised in their own culture and didn't them exposed while young to ours.

As for why so many would prefer to live in third-world countries, of course because they're theirs and for all the reasons they're wonderful and better than anywhere else.

[H2O Man]

20. But, but, but ....

polls document the white man's burden. For over 100,000 years, everyone has wanted to live in the USA. That's why the Third World people have always welcomed us into their countries, to exploit their natural resources, and kill their people. They are just dying to come here.

[Hortensis]

21. Lol. But, but, but... Before tRump we were also by far most nations'

favorite ally and had tons of friends at least partially dependent on us for their security and prosperity. Still are and still do, still very needed, but now viewed as dangerously undependable.

As for Afghanistan, the end was implicit in the initial invasion that everyone recognized for the leap into an unresolvable quagmire that it was. We came bearing artillery and gifts and left both. And to be fair, we're already missed -- by part of the population.

[H2O Man]

23. Right, right, right!

Although Trump did make the agreement to withdraw US forces, he and his administration showed no more loyalty to the people there than they did the Kurds. That administration was a shit stain on the fabric of this country, both in domestic and foreign terms. I'm glad that President Biden is working to bring us back.

[Hortensis]

24. Their betrayal of the Kurds, imo, was even much worse. But right, right, right.

[Dream Girl]

10. A lot of people "won" got rich on the gravy train that was Afghanistan

Now it’s over and lots of sourpusses on the teepee. I never seen so mean pissed of pundits.

[H2O Man]

15. Yes.

One might even suspect that Cheney & Rumsfeld changed the mission from sending Special Forces to block Usama bin Laden's access to Pakistan, and bombing Tora Bora, to occupying the country, to enrich the war industry at the expense of our military and the Afghan people.

[GoCubsGo]

7. Not hearing any stories about how THEY helped get those allies out of there.

None of them lifted a finger to help that I am aware off.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

11. Afghan Youtube star killed attempting to escape, she was 20 y/o...gonna be lots of these stories