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Phil the Kilibuster

(82 posts)
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 09:58 AM Sep 2021

The Way that the Twin Towers collapsed Didn't Look Right

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Spazito (a host of the General Discussion forum).

And that is all that I'm saying.

Caveats: I am NOT an architect. I am NOT a metallurgist. I am NOT a physicist or chemist. I am NOT an engineer. I have NO expertise iin any of the fields that might pertain to a precise explanation of what happened to the WTC buildings twenty years ago today.

But the way those towers fell didn't ilook right. It didn't look, if you'll permit me to use this word, natural. It still doesn't.

I am not trying to start an argument. Nor am I promoting or advancing a theory. I am only saying to you what my wyes have been saying to me for 20 years

I shall say nothing further, either within this post/thread or outside of it.

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The Way that the Twin Towers collapsed Didn't Look Right (Original Post) Phil the Kilibuster Sep 2021 OP
I agree. no_hypocrisy Sep 2021 #1
Your brother must not have taken down the buildings I watched come down, which... LAS14 Sep 2021 #8
Building 7 was the one that still has me puzzled. gab13by13 Sep 2021 #2
Bldg 7 fell the same way the others did. Straight down into its own footprint. Earth-shine Sep 2021 #3
I have the video of the discussion of Bldg 7 being pulled. Link below discusses it KewlKat Sep 2021 #7
Detailed explanation: dalton99a Sep 2021 #46
You are not alone dflprincess Sep 2021 #4
Oy ve! Beakybird Sep 2021 #5
Have ever watched the intentional destruction of a building by explosive? LAS14 Sep 2021 #6
INteresting Me. Sep 2021 #9
Probably a good decision. BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #22
With good reason, I might add n/t Silent3 Sep 2021 #36
Agreed. And that is all I will say. CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #10
The collapse is consistent with their design Klaralven Sep 2021 #11
Thank you for this. Nt USALiberal Sep 2021 #15
Thanks. Hoyt Sep 2021 #25
This crap again? johnp3907 Sep 2021 #12
Just saying .... obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2021 #30
Ffs! Really? Nt USALiberal Sep 2021 #13
There are still unanswered questions. femmocrat Sep 2021 #14
No there are not!!!!! Nt USALiberal Sep 2021 #20
It's not a question of sacrilege... Silent3 Sep 2021 #41
That means nothing treestar Sep 2021 #16
Lol. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #17
+1000! USALiberal Sep 2021 #21
Oh god. BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #18
. . . zuul Sep 2021 #19
You need to do this today? BeckyDem Sep 2021 #23
I will never believe the story scarytomcat Sep 2021 #24
Lol USALiberal Sep 2021 #35
By all means, take Cheney's word for it. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #39
All I will say is people will believe sarisataka Sep 2021 #26
This. Treefrog Sep 2021 #45
Pretty much every building on this planet ItsjustMe Sep 2021 #27
This sums it up for me. BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #28
+1000! USALiberal Sep 2021 #37
DU seems snowybirdie Sep 2021 #29
Yeah BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #42
Nothing will convince you, but here's an explanation Bobstandard Sep 2021 #31
Twenty years of this shit. Iggo Sep 2021 #32
Yeah, really Jilly_in_VA Sep 2021 #43
Love too start a thread with a hot-garbage take and insist on not participating!!!!!! WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #33
Do you really believe you can or even should have a built-in sense of what's "natural"... Silent3 Sep 2021 #34
Agreed. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #38
To have people roll their eyes and react like "this crazy shit again!" isn't being "clamped down on" Silent3 Sep 2021 #48
Trash thread. beaglelover Sep 2021 #40
Of course it wasn't natural. Treefrog Sep 2021 #44
No, because that was a fucked up thing to see. ismnotwasm Sep 2021 #47
75 posts. brooklynite Sep 2021 #49
And the Earth sure looks flat SCantiGOP Sep 2021 #50
*LOCKING* Spazito Sep 2021 #51

no_hypocrisy

(54,360 posts)
1. I agree.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:01 AM
Sep 2021

My brother did high profile demolition. He did the Fulton County Stadium. The WTC buildings came down too neatly. Not even breaking in two and falling on other buildings.

LAS14

(15,463 posts)
8. Your brother must not have taken down the buildings I watched come down, which...
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:12 AM
Sep 2021

.. sank straight down in exactly the same way.

gab13by13

(31,328 posts)
2. Building 7 was the one that still has me puzzled.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:01 AM
Sep 2021
 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
3. Bldg 7 fell the same way the others did. Straight down into its own footprint.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:03 AM
Sep 2021

Bldg 7 was not addressed at all in the congressional 9-11 report.

KewlKat

(5,788 posts)
7. I have the video of the discussion of Bldg 7 being pulled. Link below discusses it
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:12 AM
Sep 2021

Here is a link with a snip of the discussion to pull the bldg -

http://www.banderasnews.com/0812/edat-takedown.htm


“After midday on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much just flames everywhere and smoke - it is entirely possible - I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable because of the collateral damage,” said Singh.

Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue expert Kevin McPadden also reported his conviction that a countdown preceded the collapse of the building.

“While we were on the right side, there was firefighters getting ready, they were bussing them back and forth, and a couple of vets that were there - they got the vibe that something was coming down,” said McPadden.

“We started asking questions, everybody started asking questions, and the next thing you know there was a Red Cross representative pacing back and forth in front of the crowd holding his hand over the radio - I couldn’t hear what it was saying but it was like pulsed - whatever the speech was on there it was pulsed - and that means to me most likely it was a countdown.”

“But he took his hand off at the last three seconds and he gave this heartfelt look - like just run for your life - because he didn’t want to bring it on his conscience - he didn’t want to go to his grave with that - and then we had a couple of seconds to put our heads together,” said McPadden.




dalton99a

(92,298 posts)
46. Detailed explanation:
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:34 AM
Sep 2021




dflprincess

(29,183 posts)
4. You are not alone
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:08 AM
Sep 2021

And that's all I'm saying.

Beakybird

(3,397 posts)
5. Oy ve!
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:09 AM
Sep 2021

LAS14

(15,463 posts)
6. Have ever watched the intentional destruction of a building by explosive?
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:12 AM
Sep 2021

The building goes straight down in exactly the same way.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
9. INteresting
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:13 AM
Sep 2021

we've been talking about this in my home lately but haven't said anything to anyone because we thought we'd be taken for kooks.

BannonsLiver

(20,293 posts)
22. Probably a good decision.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:20 AM
Sep 2021
 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
36. With good reason, I might add n/t
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:24 AM
Sep 2021
 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
10. Agreed. And that is all I will say.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:13 AM
Sep 2021
 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
11. The collapse is consistent with their design
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:14 AM
Sep 2021

Each tower was a 200 x 200 foot tube with 244 strong steel columns around the perimeter forming a strong steel tube. In the center was a strong column housing the elevators and utilities. The floors were reinforced concrete tied to the exterior columns and central tubes.

Horizontal ties between the columns were strong enough so that the vertical load on columns destroyed by the impact were transferred to intact adjacent columns. This prevented the section of the building above the impact from toppling over.

The fuel load of the planes ignited multiple floors. As the fires heated the floor structures, they eventually sheared loose from the central column and the exterior tube. The floors pancaked straight down successively shearing off floors below. The air pressure bulged the tube outward, allowing the section of the building above the impact to also fall straight down into the exterior tube.

So the collapse of the towers has been pretty well analysed and explained. The collapse of Building 7 is less well explained.

See also Why the World Trade Center Towers Fell on 9/11

https://www.thoughtco.com/why-world-trade-center-towers-fell-177706

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
15. Thank you for this. Nt
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:16 AM
Sep 2021
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
25. Thanks.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:21 AM
Sep 2021

johnp3907

(4,225 posts)
12. This crap again?
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:14 AM
Sep 2021

obnoxiousdrunk

(3,110 posts)
30. Just saying ....
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Sep 2021

happens every year at this time.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
13. Ffs! Really? Nt
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:15 AM
Sep 2021

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
14. There are still unanswered questions.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:15 AM
Sep 2021

It has become almost “sacrilegious” to question the official narrative. Even today, 20 years later, we are being cautious in our remarks.
And that is all I will say, too.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
20. No there are not!!!!! Nt
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:18 AM
Sep 2021
 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
41. It's not a question of sacrilege...
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:29 AM
Sep 2021

...it's a question of intelligence, and of the type of gullibility which arises from an over-active attempt to avoid being gullible.

No matter how much contempt you feel for the "official narrative", as if that phrase itself means "something that shouldn't be believed", in this case the "official narrative" makes way, way, way more sense than any of the crazy alternative which have been offered.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. That means nothing
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:17 AM
Sep 2021

Sounds like wishful thinking. I don't need proof, I just feel this way. That's not science.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,442 posts)
17. Lol.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:17 AM
Sep 2021

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
21. +1000!
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:19 AM
Sep 2021

BannonsLiver

(20,293 posts)
18. Oh god.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:18 AM
Sep 2021

zuul

(14,703 posts)
19. . . .
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:18 AM
Sep 2021

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
23. You need to do this today?
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:20 AM
Sep 2021

You wanted a seamless explanation of chaos that looked "natural"??

JFC.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
24. I will never believe the story
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:21 AM
Sep 2021

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
35. Lol
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:23 AM
Sep 2021

FoxNewsSucks

(11,504 posts)
39. By all means, take Cheney's word for it.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:26 AM
Sep 2021

It's the one thing in his life he didn't lie about.

sarisataka

(22,247 posts)
26. All I will say is people will believe
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:21 AM
Sep 2021

What they want to believe. If they are set on an idea, no amount of witness reports, expert testimony or evidence will change their mind even if there is zero evidence supporting their theory.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
45. This.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:34 AM
Sep 2021

Exactly.

 

ItsjustMe

(11,971 posts)
27. Pretty much every building on this planet
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:21 AM
Sep 2021

That has collapsed for whatever reason, looks similar to the twin towers.

Building Collapsed

BannonsLiver

(20,293 posts)
28. This sums it up for me.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Sep 2021

“I am NOT an architect. I am NOT a metallurgist. I am NOT a physicist or chemist. I am NOT a…”

I stopped reading at that point.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
37. +1000!
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:24 AM
Sep 2021

snowybirdie

(6,574 posts)
29. DU seems
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Sep 2021

to be bringing out lots of different folks today!

BannonsLiver

(20,293 posts)
42. Yeah
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:29 AM
Sep 2021

Today I’ve read a variety of different things. Most are appropriate. Some, that seem to imply that we “had it coming” and “so what, other countries get attacked too” are from people who are trying a little too hard to be the cool kid.

Bobstandard

(2,187 posts)
31. Nothing will convince you, but here's an explanation
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Sep 2021

Iggo

(49,676 posts)
32. Twenty years of this shit.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Sep 2021

Jilly_in_VA

(13,834 posts)
43. Yeah, really
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:30 AM
Sep 2021

No. Just NO.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,442 posts)
33. Love too start a thread with a hot-garbage take and insist on not participating!!!!!!
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Sep 2021
 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
34. Do you really believe you can or even should have a built-in sense of what's "natural"...
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:23 AM
Sep 2021

...for something like skyscrapers collapsing?

Don't give your sense of what's "natural" (as if there's any natural about skyscrapers in the first place) any more credit than it deserves. Which in this case is practically zilch.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,504 posts)
38. Agreed.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:25 AM
Sep 2021

If for no other reason than this consideration:

We have found out that we were right about every single thing BushCheneyCo lied about and did wrong for 8 years.

Everything. All lies.

But we're supposed to believe that, despite what we can see for ourselves, they told the Gospel Truth about this one thing, 9/11? Really??? That's the only thing that wasn't a lie????

For that and other reasons, I'm not buying it. Also, if it were all true, questioning it would not be immediately clamped down on.

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
48. To have people roll their eyes and react like "this crazy shit again!" isn't being "clamped down on"
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:36 AM
Sep 2021

It's a totally honest reaction to crazy shit people are tired of hearing from idiots whose reflexive distrust of some explanations leads them to instead accept (or at least give undue credence to) other explanations that are far more unlikely than what they've chosen to doubt.

beaglelover

(4,429 posts)
40. Trash thread.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:28 AM
Sep 2021
 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
44. Of course it wasn't natural.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:32 AM
Sep 2021

Two planeloads of human souls were flown into them.

Nothing natural about it.

ismnotwasm

(42,663 posts)
47. No, because that was a fucked up thing to see.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:35 AM
Sep 2021

Of course it didn’t “look right”

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
49. 75 posts.
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:38 AM
Sep 2021

Of course.

SCantiGOP

(14,664 posts)
50. And the Earth sure looks flat
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:40 AM
Sep 2021

That’s all I’ll say.

Spazito

(55,246 posts)
51. *LOCKING*
Sat Sep 11, 2021, 10:41 AM
Sep 2021

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