If Dems Can't Pass Legislation To Tax The Rich And Help Working People They Will Lose The Midterms

[DanieRains]

Democrats will be replaced with Republicans who will help the wealthy rob them blind, pay less taxes, and literally destroy their planet in search of fossil fuel profits. Nothing will be done about climate change, or anything else.

The frame the media won't touch.

[spooky3]

1. And that's precisely why the Republicans are obstructing. Not only

Do the Dems need to work hard to get something passed, they need to craft their message NOW and go on all the shows to tell Americans exactly why the bills Americans support are stalled. Tell them to call their representatives and who’s responsible if the bills fail.

[FBaggins]

2. Contrariwise if they tax too much or spend too much (or on the wrong things)...

... they will also lose the midterms.

The challenge is that we don't all agree on how much is too much and how much is not enough - and essentially any disagreement is deadly to the process.

[DanieRains]

4. Taxing People Who Make Billions And Pay Next To Nothing In Taxes Shouldn't Be That Hard Explaining

But somehow "my side" can't get the message out.

Pretty sad if you ask me.

The 1% are working on getting their next $55 Trillion while the rest of us work ourselves to death, and the planet burns.

[XanaDUer2]

7. Depressingly true

I'm having a shitty day

[FBaggins]

25. True enough - but not a universally held position

And not actually true in all cases.

The disagreement is plenty large enough to cost us control of Congress if the changes get too large.

[Wounded Bear]

3. K & R...for truth...nt

[onecaliberal]

5. We are all fucked. Period.

We have allowed repukes to bring us here while we patiently wait for rights to be ripped from us. As long as Dems keep trying to “play by the rules” when the other party makes it up as we go, we’re screwed. We have been watching them take it all. Now we’re going to let them kill the planet too.

[StarfishSaver]

6. "Playing by the rules" is one of the major things that makes us not Republicans

[Budi]

8. K & R what country would we be if NO ONE played by our Constitutional rules.

Who'd we become?

[DanieRains]

10. Republicans Spend 90% Of Their Energy Attacking Democrats We Don't Even Acknowledge

Republicans exist because Dems think people are smart enough to know what is good for them.

Time to toss that strategy.

Republicans Destroy Everything, and have done so since Carter.

Just say that 90% of the time, and talk about legislation the other 10%.

Or all is lost.

[Budi]

34. Sure. Have you noticed the RW owned MSM & social media bias since 2016?

They shoved the last f'in chance we had to save ourselves, into the dirt. Into absolute silence.

Is it all burned down enough yet?
Apparantly not, cuz those same voices are pissin all over Biden & 'establishment' Dems today.

Pitiful ain't it.

[TheRealNorth]

32. That's true to a point....

But I we don't have any power or hopes of gaining power because everything has been stacked against us, then what's the point?

[DanieRains]

9. George Washington Didn't Play By The Crown's Rules And We Got A Country

Whey the other side is using nukes, we need to put down our butter knives.

[stillcool]

12. Stage a coup!!

but you go first.

[DanieRains]

14. Instead Maybe We Should Apply Our Laws To People Like Bush Cheney Nixon And TFG Instead

The coup has already occurred.

The rich and powerful won.

It's not class warfare, it is class genocide now. (Mike Papantonio)

Prisons are for the poor.

[stillcool]

36. the story is still being written

Governments rise and fall, and people live on. Countries break up. When I think of what the United States has done to countries through-out the world, it isn't surprising at all where we are now. The breakdown of a society. No one to blame, but much that explains. Just think, we could be Iraqi's, or Afghani's.

[StarfishSaver]

18. I wonder how many of the people calling for this would leave their house to join the fight

I suspect very few would.

[stillcool]

24. I think what makes me most livid

is people blaming my 2 Senators, and 1 Congressman for the fate of over 300 million people. Not only for this moment in time, but for all the past political events where the system worked for those who built it.

[StarfishSaver]

26. You mean the "Dems didn't do what I wanted when I wanted how I wanted, so Dems ain't shit" crowd?

I hear you.

[TheRealNorth]

33. Here is a hypothetical to try on...

If Republican Legislatures overturn the election by selecting the electors for the Republican candidate even though they lost the State, what is the appropriate recourse.

[StarfishSaver]

44. I'll give you a lawyerly, albeit correct answer: it all depends

Several critical facts were left out. How many states? Did the outcome of the election change? Did Congress certify the manipulated results? Did the courts weigh in? If the courts did weigh in, how did they rule?

That said, what COULD happen in the future is not the issue I was addressing. The poster to whom I responded was not opening on potential action based on hypothetical sets of circumstances. They were claiming all is lost NOW and calling for people to take to the streets NOW based upon the current situation.

[StarfishSaver]

13. That's a weird analogy - George Washington led an armed revolution against "the Crown"

Your reasoning is the same that the Confederates and insurrectionists used to support their violations of the law and attempts to overthrow the government.

Surely, you're not suggesting that Democrats launch an armed rebellion against the government?

[DanieRains]

16. Exactly The Opposite Enforce Laws Against The Robber Barons

Who run everything with dark money and a billionaire owned Supreme Court.

Take to the streets.

[StarfishSaver]

17. Wow.

No.

Are you sure you're in the right place? It sounds like you've given up on the political process all together - so I'm not sure why you'd be posting on a website devoted to discussing political issues and supporting and empowering the Democratic Party.

[budkin]

15. THIS x 10000000

Enough.

[Calista241]

11. The total taxes for the rich are likely to go down after this

Some of their taxes may go up, but the removal of the SALT caps will substantially lessen the impact of any new taxes imposed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/15/democrats-vow-meaningful-relief-for-state-and-local-tax-deduction-.html

[FBaggins]

22. Not a chance

SALT changes would account for tens of billions of dollars… nothing close to offsetting the trillions we need to fund the reconciliation bill.

[Lovie777]

19. Honestly, Democrats will keep the house and senate . ..

[Hortensis]

28. No kidding. We're being flooded with these clueless posts.

I can understand, sorta, being frightened in general these days, but there's no excuse for having no idea that the Democratic Party is passing extremely important legislation that will benefit our nation enormousy.

[DanieRains]

30. Hortensis Only If We Fix Our Messaging

The media needs to be overcome with strong messaging, not typical dems in disarray daily garbage.

Republicans only help billionaires and fossil fuel producers.

Someone should just say it.

Our jobs would be much easier.

[Hortensis]

35. So fix your messaging? This is social media.

There's no point in baying at the moon, demanding that others do what can't be done. This forum draws an amazing number of people who don't "get" the messaging from our party themselves, and they're presumably interested. No one can force people against their own natures.

It's not that I'm without sympathy for those who become sick with worry over these things. Uncertainty and helplessness cause stress if they're not handled. But to me, the "dems in disarray" are them, typical of themselves maybe, but not of others and certainly not of the professionals currently negotiating what's going into these big bills.

[StarfishSaver]

31. Brings back memories

"Democrats will NEVER impeach!"

"They don't have the votes right now."

"Who CARES! They should do it NOW."

"Pelosi's working on it."

"Pelosi will NEVER impeach because she doesn't want to."

Democrats impeach. Twice.

Crickets.

[Hortensis]

46. Wash, rinse repeat, on social media, with every issue.

Seriously, in regular life we've never known Democrats who suffer these recurrent crises of belief.

[mcar]

52. Yep. Sigh.

[USALiberal]

41. Based on what stat? Nt

[CrispyQ]

20. We don't have the votes to get rid of the filibuster.

From The Washington Post. I know it's behind a paywall, but if you can get to the page, there are quotes from each of the senators listed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/filibuster-vote-count/
Eliminate 19
Committed 15
Open 14
Opposed 2

These senators have called for eliminating the filibuster. (19)

Bernie Sanders VT
Tammy Baldwin WI
Richard Blumenthal CT
Sherrod Brown OH
Benjamin L. Cardin MD
Robert P. Casey Jr. PA
Tammy Duckworth IL
Kirsten Gillibrand NY
Martin Heinrich NM
Mazie Hirono HI
Amy Klobuchar MN
Edward J. Markey MA
Jeff Merkley OR
Alex Padilla CA
Jacky Rosen NV
Brian Schatz HI
Tina Smith MN
Chris Van Hollen MD
Elizabeth Warren MA

These senators have called for changing the filibuster. (15)

Cory Booker NJ
Maria Cantwell WA
Catherine Cortez Masto NV
Richard J. Durbin IL
Maggie Hassan NH
Tim Kaine VA
Mark Kelly AZ
Ben Ray Luján NM
Robert Menendez NJ
Chris Murphy CT
Patty Murray WA
Jon Ossoff GA
Jeanne Shaheen NH
Debbie Stabenow MI
Ron Wyden OR

These senators are open to changes to the filibuster. (14)

Angus King ME
Michael F. Bennet CO
Thomas R. Carper DE
Christopher A. Coons DE
Dianne Feinstein CA
John Hickenlooper CO
Patrick J. Leahy VT
Gary Peters MI
Jack Reed RI
Charles E. Schumer NY
Jon Tester MT
Mark R. Warner VA
Raphael G. Warnock GA
Sheldon Whitehouse RI

These senators oppose any changes to the filibuster. (2)

Joe Manchin III WV
Kyrsten Sinema AZ

That's a lot of senators, hiding behind Manchin & Sinema. Hell, even Biden has said he's against getting rid of it.

[Kahuna]

21. Keep hope alive. For me the most important issue is saving our Democracy...

The only way to do that is to vote out republicans. Period.

[bluewater]

23. +1000

[StarfishSaver]

27. This

Thank you.

[malaise]

29. Well

That is all

[leftstreet]

37. If they're good old fashioned GOPers it'll be okay

Pelosi keeps saying "we need a strong Republican Party"

She's recognized here as a brilliant strategist, so it will all be fine

[Autumn]

38. There are no good old fashioned GOPers. Madame Speaker is wrong. There is no such thing as

" a strong Republican Party". There is only a corrupt Republican Party. And that's not going to fucking change in the time we have left.

[bluewater]

39. +1000

[TheRealNorth]

40. Exactly

They QGOP has crossed the Rubicon.

[leftstreet]

42. +1

[StarfishSaver]

43. "Madame Speaker is wrong" .. Ok

If only she had the political knowledge, insights, and skill of the internet armchair warriors who understand so much better than she does the issues and people she deals with every day.

[Autumn]

45. Save the bullshit. Some of us have been around for a long time. She's wrong. We don't need a strong

Republican party. We need a sane opposition party. We don't have one. We haven't had one since before Reagan. And we aren't going to fucking get one. Your snark doesn't mean shit and doesn't do one damn thing to prove me wrong. You are not the only person here who knows how politics work. Sell it to someone else. I'm not buying it.

[betsuni]

47. "We need a sane opposition party." That's what Pelosi said: "to have it be hijacked as a cult

at this time is really a sad thing for America" that Republicans need to "take back their party." Take back their party from the cult so it can be a sane, strong opposition party.

[Autumn]

48. "One of my prayers is that the Republicans will take back their party," Pelosi said.

"The country needs a strong Republican Party. It's done so much for our country, and to have it be hijacked as a cult at this time is really a sad thing for America."

That is what Nancy Pelosi said.

I'm not seeing where she said " Take back their party from the cult so it can be a sane, strong opposition party."

Got a link?

[betsuni]

49. Here we go. Link to what?

Nancy said she wants Republicans to take back their party because it was hijacked as a cult and the country needs a strong Republican Party. Cults are not sane. Those are what the words Pelosi said mean.

[leftstreet]

53. The "strong party" that gave us an illegal war on Iraq?

Tortured people? Handed us the Patriot Act and hOmELaND sECurITy?



She just really shouldn't have said it at all

[Autumn]

57. I agree. The last thing we need is a strong republican party. That party will destroy us all.

[Autumn]

55. Glad to know you are able to clarify what she really was trying to say.

betsuni (17,568 posts)

47. "We need a sane opposition party." That's what Pelosi said: "to have it be hijacked as a cult

at this time is really a sad thing for America" that Republicans need to "take back their party." Take back their party from the cult so it can be a sane, strong opposition party.

Heads up. When you use quotation marks it's means you are quoting another persons words, not deciding what you think they should have said.

[CrackityJones75]

50. Was worried I might not read "how dems will fuck it up" post today

And here it is.

[StarfishSaver]

54. Of course

"Democrats aren't doing shish. They need to do x, y, and z!"

Democrats do x, y, and z, exactly as the "Democrats aren't doing shish" naysayers demand

"SO WHAT? It's not going to make any difference!"

[Xolodno]

51. I'm not sure about that.

I used to be an avid Silver Surfer comic book reader. In one issue, Thanos managed to get citizenship to a place that was a "capitalist utopia". He was summoned to the court to explain himself after it appeared he killed him (it was a ruse, just to throw him off so he could collect all the soul gems), Surfer decided this was a good idea to explain just how deadly Thanos was a monster. It was a capitalist utopia....that being, you had the ultra wealthy and massive poor.

The irony, those that were poor came there willingly believing they could suddenly rise up the ranks and be wealthy. In the end, the Surfer found out the absolute ruler was nothing more than a being that was interested in "being efficient" and had no concept of right or wrong, basically a conscious computational computer and nothing else, while others around him took advantage.

The Surfer was sentenced to death for violating their laws (one included causing an official spilling his drink), by sending him out to the vacuum of space. Well, that gave his powers back....so that didn't work so well.

[Lemon Lyman]

56. IDK

I'm going to vote in 2022. Hopefully every American does. 2010 was ridiculous. For the majority of us for whom voting is not that difficult, it's foolish not to vote (not speaking for the disenfranchised who have to stand in line for 8 hours)