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OnDoutside

(20,104 posts)
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:20 AM Oct 2021

So the current negotiating number is between 1.9 and 2.3tn dollars.

It might be a complete coincidence but the cost for the 3.5tn is spread out over 10 years so to fully fund the programs for 6 years would be 60% of 3.5 = 2.1 trillion, slap bang in the middle of the suggested negotiating numbers. I think most people would take that and hope that the Democrats can get 2 more Senators, to make this more of a permanent fixture.

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So the current negotiating number is between 1.9 and 2.3tn dollars. (Original Post) OnDoutside Oct 2021 OP
Has Manchin gone up from 1.5? Do we know for sure where Sinema's number is? PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #1
The taxes to pay for it are key Amishman Oct 2021 #2
Not just taxes. $700 billion in funding comes from the savings that allowing Medicare Celerity Oct 2021 #6
That was the range they quoted from sources on MSNBC. Also Manchin OnDoutside Oct 2021 #4
I would say Sinema's an idiot LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2021 #8
Yeah I see where that range is coming from... PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #9
I was thinking just that MacKasey Oct 2021 #3
If it gives time to get the show on the road and elect two extra OnDoutside Oct 2021 #5
If the Democrats don't pass the bill(s) will they still hold the House after 2022? n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #11
Probably not, but then if they only pass a sham of a Reconciliation bill OnDoutside Oct 2021 #12
The numbers are bs diversion, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #7
Agree MacKasey Oct 2021 #10

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. Has Manchin gone up from 1.5? Do we know for sure where Sinema's number is?
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:29 AM
Oct 2021

Last edited Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:33 AM - Edit history (1)

And what about taxes?

Amishman

(5,640 posts)
2. The taxes to pay for it are key
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:00 AM
Oct 2021

I'd like it to really be paid for, not some phony numbers like the Pubs did with their tax cut theft.

I want to see wall Street pay for a lot of it. The bullshit described in this article needs to be crushed. A very good read on senior managerial compensation at large public companies using TI as an example. https://www.epsilontheory.com/yeah-its-still-water/

(Texas Instruments driving almost all profits into stock buybacks while simultaneously selling steeply discounted shares to its own senior management)

Celerity

(45,266 posts)
6. Not just taxes. $700 billion in funding comes from the savings that allowing Medicare
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:03 AM
Oct 2021

to negotiate pharma prices generates.

The very thing that Sinema (after receiving shedloads of dosh and adverts from Big Pharma) flipped on and now is against.

OnDoutside

(20,104 posts)
4. That was the range they quoted from sources on MSNBC. Also Manchin
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:41 AM
Oct 2021

1.5 TN was not a top line number apparently, where Sinema gave no number at all.

8. I would say Sinema's an idiot
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:19 AM
Oct 2021

but that would be an insult to idiots. She doesn't want to do the hard work of being a senator -- she just wants the perks, like the huge amounts of money she's getting from her corporate donors. And all she has to do is be cute, coy, and obtuse.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
9. Yeah I see where that range is coming from...
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:36 AM
Oct 2021
Acknowledging the need to find that sweet spot, Biden on Friday twice threw out a range that congressional Democrats should be looking at: $1.9 trillion to $2.3 trillion, according to two lawmakers in the room.


From: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/574991-progressives-cheer-moderates-groan-as-biden-visit-caps-chaotic-week


MacKasey

(1,044 posts)
3. I was thinking just that
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:13 AM
Oct 2021

Go for 6 years to start and then renew

I always thought they went big to start because they knew they would have to compromise

OnDoutside

(20,104 posts)
5. If it gives time to get the show on the road and elect two extra
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:42 AM
Oct 2021

Senate Dems... presumably Pennsylvania will provide one.

OnDoutside

(20,104 posts)
12. Probably not, but then if they only pass a sham of a Reconciliation bill
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 03:14 AM
Oct 2021

or only the bipartisan deal, the same could well happen.

gab13by13

(22,738 posts)
7. The numbers are bs diversion,
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:10 AM
Oct 2021

It's almost entirely paid for, so maybe that's the problem. Manchin and Sinema's sugar daddies don't want their taxes raised, maybe that's the problem. The number is meaningless, 3.5 trillion would not be added to the debt like Trump's tax cute for the rich continue year after year to add to the debt. It's about the return on investment. The benefits of passing Build Back Better will be overwhelming.

As a side note, for people here blaming progressives for not wanting to compromise, the Build Back Better Bill was written by president Biden, let that sink in before criticizing progressives for wanting to pass it.

I like the idea of keeping the programs and cutting back the years, make it happen.

MacKasey

(1,044 posts)
10. Agree
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 09:15 AM
Oct 2021

This is about M1, and churning those $1.00

There will be a huge ripple effect for the economy

Tax breaks for the rich do squat for the 99%

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