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Manchin just used false equivalency in placing responsibility for the debt ceiling impasse (Original Post) Uncle Joe Oct 2021 OP
Yep USAFRetired_Liberal Oct 2021 #1
Manchin Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #2
I believe McConnell is creating the debt ceiling impasse Uncle Joe Oct 2021 #3
Susan Collins *did* deliver that ransom note the other day Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #4
I believe it's more about getting Uncle Joe Oct 2021 #6
This actually seems to be the most logical and intuitive explanation ColinC Oct 2021 #8
Yes, it seems the political world turns on plausible deniability Uncle Joe Oct 2021 #9
It's part of his "aw shucks, I'm just a guy from the 'sticks'" bullshit routine. nt Carlitos Brigante Oct 2021 #5
Manchin is showing his passive-aggressive side dlk Oct 2021 #7

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
2. Manchin
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:48 AM
Oct 2021

sure does seem like he's either a plant or useful idiot for McConnell (like with Sinema)- to keep Senate Democrats gummed up.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
3. I believe McConnell is creating the debt ceiling impasse
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:07 PM
Oct 2021

as leverage against Schumer because of his opposition to the reconciliation bill and Manchin knows this.

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
4. Susan Collins *did* deliver that ransom note the other day
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:12 PM
Oct 2021

Essentially: "Drop the Reconciliation Bill/BBB and we'll vote to raise the debt ceiling", so, yeah, that's probably it. But he has to know that Democrats aren't going to allow the debt ceiling to be breached and that there's no way in hell they're giving up BBB, so is there anything else Mitch is angling for here?

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
6. I believe it's more about getting
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:34 PM
Oct 2021

limitations and/or special stipulations in the reconciliation bill that benefit the mega corporations and oligarchs.

This way McConnell has a hand in shaping the reconciliation bill without appearing to do so and Manchin gets to play the "bi-partisanship" bull while enabling McConnell.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
9. Yes, it seems the political world turns on plausible deniability
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 02:24 PM
Oct 2021

on several levels.

That's how you can tell a politician from a political leader.

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