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Nevilledog

(51,101 posts)
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 08:47 PM Oct 2021

S.B. 8 ENJOINED! "This Court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation..."




Full ruling
https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/show_temp.pdf


What does it mean if a law is enjoined?

enjoin. v. for a court to order that someone either do a specific act, cease a course of conduct or be prohibited from committing a certain act.





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Zoe Tillman
@ZoeTillman
NOW: A federal judge has blocked enforcement of SB 8, Texas's 6-week abortion ban, and denied Texas's request to pause his ruling pending appeal.

"...this Court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation of such an important right."
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21079935/10-6-21-us-v-texas-preliminary-injunction.pdf
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5:42 PM · Oct 6, 2021
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S.B. 8 ENJOINED! "This Court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation..." (Original Post) Nevilledog Oct 2021 OP
what is sb 8 nt msongs Oct 2021 #1
Texas abortion bounty case Nevilledog Oct 2021 #2
Yeah LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #3
how can he do that? Takket Oct 2021 #4
Not a legal expert, but it's my understanding SCOTUS didn't rule, they just refused to hear it PortTack Oct 2021 #5
Yep, the other side of the "shadow docket" localroger Oct 2021 #7
Indeed, that law is a mess, the kind the Supreme Court usually avoids. unblock Oct 2021 #9
this is one such challenge, to such a court, and the bench's response. stopdiggin Oct 2021 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #34
different suit qazplm135 Oct 2021 #6
Yes, the case the Supremes declined to consider didn't involve the federal government Ocelot II Oct 2021 #14
SCOTUS didn't rule, they just refused to hear it at this point. elleng Oct 2021 #32
This was one of the court challenges the SC was talking about ShazzieB Oct 2021 #35
I think this means Sgent Oct 2021 #8
Yes. The judges on the 5th Circuit make Atilla the Hun Tomconroy Oct 2021 #11
Read it, here! It's a very thorough discussion. Ocelot II Oct 2021 #12
Thanks for this. Judge doesn't just say no, but Hell No! yonder Oct 2021 #21
I skimmed it and they are extremely thorough. joshcryer Oct 2021 #25
I agree with Ian Millhiser, unfortunately Nevilledog Oct 2021 #28
Well, yeah, the 5th Circuit is pretty conservative. Ocelot II Oct 2021 #29
Thought that might be the case. elleng Oct 2021 #33
Guess Garland's been doing something mcar Oct 2021 #13
NO!!!! Really..how bout some kudos for Merrick Garland and the DOJ! PortTack Oct 2021 #15
Woot! Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #26
That's what I said mcar Oct 2021 #27
Great news! Duppers Oct 2021 #16
K&R to the max! UTUSN Oct 2021 #17
Small sigh of relief, until next assault. niyad Oct 2021 #18
Will this still go to the SCOTUS in Dec? BigmanPigman Oct 2021 #19
No, that's Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. joshcryer Oct 2021 #23
Thank you! BigmanPigman Oct 2021 #24
Loved reading the word 'scheme' twice in the writing Pas-de-Calais Oct 2021 #20
Women are not chattle! Bluethroughu Oct 2021 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2021 #30
We are not legislating religion. It violates the 1st anendment lindysalsagal Oct 2021 #31

Takket

(21,565 posts)
4. how can he do that?
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 08:52 PM
Oct 2021

Didn't SCOTUS already say the law would stay in place until court challenges are heard? how can a federal judge override SCOTUS?

Paging a legal expert lol

PortTack

(32,765 posts)
5. Not a legal expert, but it's my understanding SCOTUS didn't rule, they just refused to hear it
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 08:55 PM
Oct 2021

Since it had not made its way thru the lower courts..just my understanding of it

localroger

(3,626 posts)
7. Yep, the other side of the "shadow docket"
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:04 PM
Oct 2021

The court didn't actually rule, it just let the status quo stand. Now the status quo is something else, and that has to go to the next higher court (probably the circuit court not sure) and if they try to "shadow docket" that the status quo -- law enjoined -- stands. So this means the law can't be enforced until it is examined on its rather dubious merits. Quite a victory, and despite the slant of the SC it's not all that certain that the law will be upheld because it's gotten so much attention, and even its proponents have realized how many political and practical legal booby traps it contains.

unblock

(52,221 posts)
9. Indeed, that law is a mess, the kind the Supreme Court usually avoids.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:10 PM
Oct 2021

They like clean cases where everything is clear and proper except the one issue being contested, or two issues pitted against each other.

This law combines unrelated problems, not just effectively banning abortion but also establishing a bizarre legal vigilantism.

If the court does take it, they might kill the law based on the vigilantism alone and avoid touching the abortion question.

Response to PortTack (Reply #5)

ShazzieB

(16,394 posts)
35. This was one of the court challenges the SC was talking about
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 04:38 PM
Oct 2021

The DOJ sued the state of Texas and the judge found in DOJ'sc favor. Simple!

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
8. I think this means
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:05 PM
Oct 2021

there are multiple cases? So it will go to the 5th circuit which will probably over rule this judge for the next couple of years until it works its way up to SCOTUS.

Ocelot II

(115,686 posts)
12. Read it, here! It's a very thorough discussion.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:25 PM
Oct 2021

And this court is having none of Texas' bullshit.

Here, S.B. 8 is deliberately structured so that no adequate remedy at law exists by which to test its constitutionality. By purporting to preclude direct enforcement by state officials, the statutory scheme is intended to be insulated from review in federal court. The State itself concedes that the law’s terms proscribe review by the federal courts, limiting review to state court alone.

And even in state court, the opportunities for review are severely constrained. By limiting the defenses that a defendant may raise in state court, the law’s authors effectively cut off any hope that a defendant will prevail. The State makes much of potential defendants’ ability to challenge the constitutionality of the statute in state court. However, the law itself prohibits defendants from raising the defense that they believed the law to be unconstitutional. Tex. Health & Safety Code § 171.208(e)(2). And by preventing defendants from recovering any attorney’s fees in the event that they prevail, the law winnows down the class of individuals financially able to sustain the litigation - even if they are sure to prevail. Moreover, the scheme provides no mechanism for suit by pregnant persons seeking abortions, the individuals most affected by the law. Given these circumstances, the Court finds that redress at law is likely unavailable in federal court and is likely unavailable through the state courts as well. Thus, this is a paradigmatic case in which equitable remedies are necessary to vindicate a fundamental constitutional right.


And:

This Court’s conclusion that private individuals are either state actors or in active concert with the State is bolstered by the positions of the intervenors in this case. In their Motion to Intervene, which this Court granted, the Texas Intervenors stated that they intend to sue people and entities that violate S.B. 8 for conduct that is “clearly unprotected by the Constitution.” The Texas Intervenors carefully tried to argue they are not state actors, but their declared intent to enforce S.B. 8 speaks the loudest. ...

More broadly, the Intervenors as a group believe that the State granted them a roving commission to enforce the State’s abortion laws. The fact that the Texas Intervenors understand that their interests would be impacted if this Court enjoins enforcement of S.B. 8 drives home the point that the Texas Intervenors recognize that they are carrying out state policy and enforcement and that an injunction of S.B. 8 would interfere with their rights to enforce state laws. The other intervenor, Oscar Stilley, an Arkansas resident who filed an S.B. 8 lawsuit against an abortion provider, spells it out: “The State of Texas in enacting [S.B. 8] has delegated power that it does have to people it does not know.” He continues: “We are told that doctors don’t have standing to raise the constitutional rights of their patients – but Oscar Stilley somehow has standing to sue people he’d probably like if he knew them, for things he doesn’t disagree with, which caused him no damage or injury whatsoever.” Stilley has sued an abortion provider and wants to continue suing abortion providers and health insurance companies solely to make money. His strategy is to sue and then offer a cheap settlement of “perhaps as low as $100 per abortion”—versus $10,000 or more in statutory damages. His is a volume business. Setting aside the absurdity and perversity of a law that incentivizes people who do not disagree with abortion care to sue abortion providers to make a quick buck, Stilley explicitly states his perception that the State delegated part of its enforcement power, i.e., bringing suits, to him.


And:

...had this Court not acted on its sound authority to provide relief to the United States, any number of states could enact legislation that deprives citizens of their constitutional rights, with no legal remedy to challenge that deprivation, without the concern that a federal court would enter an injunction. As has been reported, “legal scholars fear that the law in Texas will lead to a rush of similar efforts in other states, prompting local legislators to pursue new measures on gun rights, immigration[,] and other divisive political issues, all in an effort to sidestep the federalgovernment. From the Deep South to the Upper Midwest, legislators in many conservative states have started to explore how similar laws could be put in place in the months ahead.” Equally plausible is that states at the other end of the political spectrum could use a similar tactic to ban or impermissibly limit another constitutional right, like a right grounded in the Second Amendment, to further a political agenda. This Court’s preliminary injunction, should it stand, discourages states from doing so: if legislators know they cannot accomplish political agendas that curtail or eliminate constitutional rights and intentionally remove the legal remedy to challenge it, then other states are less likely to engage in copycat legislation. Thus, rather than increase the number of suits by the United States, this Court’s preliminary injunction maintains the status quo of
very few such suits and preserves this cause of action for exceptional cases like this one.

Finally, the State has requested, in the event the Court preliminarily enjoins enforcement of S.B. 8, that the Court stay any injunction until the State has the opportunity to seek appellate review. The State has forfeited the right to any such accommodation by pursuing an unprecedented and aggressive scheme to deprive its citizens of a significant and well-established constitutional right. From the moment S.B. 8 went into effect, women have been unlawfully prevented from exercising control over their lives in ways that are protected by the Constitution. That other courts may find a way to avoid this conclusion is theirs to decide; this Court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation of such an important right.
https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/show_temp.pdf

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
25. I skimmed it and they are extremely thorough.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:22 PM
Oct 2021

They worked tirelessly for this decision. Would be hard I think for the SCOTUS to wiggle their way into making the law legal.

Ocelot II

(115,686 posts)
29. Well, yeah, the 5th Circuit is pretty conservative.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:58 PM
Oct 2021

But the district court knows that better than we do, and did a pretty thorough job anticipating what they might do.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
23. No, that's Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:20 PM
Oct 2021

Mississippi already banned pre-viability. Like actually banned it. The Texas law tries to circumvent things by making it a civil matter. It won't likely make its way to the SCOTUS for a year or more, if it even does (because the law was designed to prevent the SCOTUS to hear it).

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