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Silent3

(15,210 posts)
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:28 PM Oct 2021

My view of Congressional subpoenas: Overly cynical, or overly true?

First you have to wait for the expirations of the subpoenas.

Then you wait for Congress to ask the DoJ to enforce the subpoenas. No rush. Probably a few weeks go by as (shudder! the horror!) Congress issues increasingly stern letters, before being so forward as to approach the DoJ about the various refusals to either show up to testify, or to provide documents.

Then the DoJ sits on those requests from Congress for a while (can't imagine them ever moving faster then 2-3 months on something like this).

Then the court battles begin over whether and how the DoJ might eventually be allowed to actually do something to enforce the subpoenas. Give that at least two years.

By then, the people subpoenaed hope (and not without very good reason) a Republican House will drop the matter.

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montanacowboy

(6,085 posts)
1. Only Dems go to jail
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:31 PM
Oct 2021

for resisting subpoenas, i.e. Susan McDougal

And who was that poor Governor (?) that Karl Rove and his gang put in jail during the Clinton Admin?

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
2. You have evidence that AG Garland is going to "sit" on the subpoena's, I'm sure.....
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:38 PM
Oct 2021

Hope you’ve shared it with President Biden.

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
4. I didn't say I know this is true, I just voiced my feelings about what I expect
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:43 PM
Oct 2021

Hence broaching the subject with the question, "Overly cynical or overly true?"

Have anything thing to offer that would ease my cynicism?

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
7. That has given me no confidence in alacrity or forcefulness
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:08 PM
Oct 2021

Mostly very light sentences so far for 1/6 insurrectionists, not a single "big fish" moved on yet.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
9. Tell us, in your prosecutorial career, how long did it take...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:12 PM
Oct 2021

...to prepare a case of a "big fish" for trial?

Thank goodness Garland is doing his job professionally.

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
11. This just sends the message that the system is rigged for the rich, the connected, and the powerful
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:24 PM
Oct 2021

If I committed a crime, be it big or small, no one's going to worry about what it does to their reputation if they lose the case, and judges and juries won't give me the leniency that's been pretty much proven to exist in the system for the elites.

Hey, at least I'm white, male, and middle class. I've got that to unfairly tip the system in my favor.

In the case of people like Trump's goons, is "doing his job professionally" really about justice, or more about an incredible effort at ass-covering, because no one wants to go after a Mark Meadows or a Steve Bannon or the like, and maybe lose?

The fear of losing a big case against such people makes it easier for those people to get away with a lot more shit than anyone else, because the "shadow of a doubt" standard comes into play before a trial ever happens, not at a trial, by prosecutors scared of the very tiniest of shadows.

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Silent3

(15,210 posts)
8. You're talking about the response of a responsible person
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:11 PM
Oct 2021

But many of these subpoenas are for people who don't give a shit for anything other than power, protecting powerful friends, and getting away with as much shit as they can get away with.

So far I don't see much hope that our system is well-designed to cope with that attitude.

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Silent3

(15,210 posts)
12. My problem is our system should make it harder for "enemies of the state"...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:31 PM
Oct 2021

...to get away with this shit. So far I don't see that happening, which only encourages their actions.

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