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https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-riot-2655246881/SITE Intelligence Group sent the bulletin, which described in detail the plans being discussed on pro-Trump online forums, to law enforcement agencies and other subscribers more than a week before the riot, which undercuts arguments that authorities failed to respond appropriately because they were unaware of the threat, reported Politico.
"The intelligence was there," said Ryan Shapiro, the executive director of Property of the People. "The agencies had it, Capitol police leadership had it, yet they approached this obvious threat from the far right with a startling degree of nonchalance. Contrast this with the hypervigilant, militaristic state responses to peaceful protests by Black Lives Matter and other progressive groups. Jan. 6 wasn't an intelligence failure. It was a political failure by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement."
Rita Katz, the founder and executive director of SITE, told the website that the response was the most "profound failure to act" she has seen in decades of sharing information with the U.S. government.
"A potpourri of communities overtly strategized to storm the Capitol building and arrest if not outright kill public officials and carry out a coup," Katz said.
"Law enforcement officials were alerting their superiors and other agencies to the threats SITE had identified many of which ended up manifesting that day, just as they were written," Katz added. "These warnings were distributed by the FBI and other agencies well before Jan. 6."
msongs
(67,441 posts)RockRaven
(14,998 posts)supporters were also law enforcement/cops.
They know themselves but don't listen to their own warnings about themselves.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)What was the motivation to NOT ACT? Who was driving this dumbing and numbing? Who was giving the orders to stand down?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)Acting Secretary of Defense Miller sent a letter in writing over his signature Jan 4 (pretty certain about the date) requiring the DC NG to get extra special permission from the highest levels before deploying.
There was also the (advisory?) panel tRump appointed with Lewandowsksi and that couch kneeling woman. I think they may have had some role in the blockage.
Esper had been fired because by Nov 9 it was clear even to tRump that some combination of coup or subversion of officials or insurrection was the only way to get a second term. Esper was not going to be reliable to go along with the insurrection part because he had already defied tRump in the summer of 2020 over sending troops to "defend" against the summer protests (tRump knew it would only escalate the situation, his goal to make carnage so he could claim to "fix it" . That lead to tRump snatching people off the streets in unmarked vans by ragtag bands of seconded border guards, prison guards and others making up a deputized force of about 200.
Champp
(2,114 posts)Is this documented anywhere? Or is it just a rumor?
This assertion needs a link.
2naSalit
(86,777 posts)And was shown all over the Internet at the time during the protests of 2020. Unmarked military dudes grabbing people off the streets and shoving them into vans. There were at least two events I recall seeing video of and others were reported.
It was happening.
Champp
(2,114 posts)For what it's worth, Snopes rates the stories as "mixture." Some truth, some exaggeration.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feds-unmarked-vans-portland/
2naSalit
(86,777 posts)I was going to put a little disclaimer on that but I was too lazy, it's still early.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)
they were working for. Yanking protestors off the street to be transported gods know where.
I remember this vividly.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)ancianita
(36,133 posts)And why I suspect the FBI of a pro-white male Republican bias. If there has been any foot-dragging about apprehending and bringing Jan 6 funders, plotters and participants to justice, it's from the FBI and law enforcement, not the DOJ.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130102/09481421547/fbi-working-with-banks-chose-not-to-inform-occupy-leadership-assassination-plot-its-leaders.shtml
Whatever you thought of the so-called "Occupy" movement of the past year or so, it seems clear that there has been at least a bit of overreaction to them. I mean, treating these protests, which have, by and large, been peaceful, as terrorist groups is just silly. But, as you may have seen over the past few days, that's exactly what the FBI did (as uncovered by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF)), and they did it in a coordinated manner with both Homeland Security and privately held banking corporations. This certainly isn't the first time government organizations have allowed for the appearance of impropriety this way, but just as when DHS held a press conference from Disney's HQ, there's a certain flaunting feeling when the coordination with private companies against the public is so blatant.
All that being said, you'd at least expect the FBI, no matter what level of corporate bowing they wish to engage in, to at least keep American citizens apprised of threats against their life. Unfortunately, it would appear the FBI disagrees when the citizens in question are Occupy leadership, as they allowed a plot to murder Occupy leadership in Texas with suppressed sniper rifles go untold until a rights group dug it up.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)So they MUST investigate and cover their asses by pursuing the perps. But it should go without saying: The FBI is part of the DOJ. It's a subset. The FBI takes direction from the DOJ. The FBI director takes orders from Garland. It's Wray and Garland to take the heat on this one.
FelineOverlord
(3,590 posts)Garland wasn't in office in December when the SITE Intelligence Group was warning about this.
But Wray has a lot of explaining to do about many, many things. I was willing to give him a chance, but after everything that has come out about January 6th and Kavanaugh, he needs to be FIRED.
DFW
(54,437 posts)I think the invaders of the Capitol were informed--in detail--about where the vulnerable points of entry were, where they should go, and what resistance to expect (i.e. none).
I think the ONLY thing they did NOT reckon with was that anyone would shoot back. When the crazy air force woman was shot while trying to break in to the House floor, I think word rippled quickly throughout the ranks of the invaders that, contrary to what they had been led to expect, someone was shooting back. I'm sure they had been told that no one would, and that this freaked out a number of them. They expected to commit their mayhem with complete immunity, with no resistance, and certainly not with armed resistance. If the word "they're is shooting back, one of us is dead!" was passed around, it was passed around in a very confined space, which means they all knew within minutes. That might have been the ONLY thing that gave the Trumpanzees pause.
If and when the people responsible for setting this whole thing up are finally identified, those who do not flee or commit suicide, as an alternative to being forced to testify, should be squeezed like a ripe lemon for every bit of the story in which they were involved. The country deserves to know what they did, but first and foremost, WHO they are, and how they did it. If this doesn't happen, what's to stop them from learning from their mistakes and trying again?
trumps people were in charge and "they" did what trump wanted by ignoring the warnings. As you said, the people responsible will be identified, and they all need to be investigated and held accountable for their roll in the attack on democracy!
Champp
(2,114 posts)in so many ways.
The House investigators must know by now which of the Republican flunkies were in the chain-of-intentional-fail, and which of them followed and passed on Republican ORDERS that no doubt dribbled down, sneakily and sleazily, from their foul-mouthed, lie-infested Republican Casino-Hustler-in-Chief.
Name the Republican traitors. Charge them, try them, convict them, and then lock them up.
Kaleva
(36,343 posts)Accused by some for vigilantism and falsely accusing Islamic organizations of being terrorist groups so take this article with a grain of salt.
If the report reinforced your world view, you'll accept it without question.
triron
(22,020 posts)Kaleva
(36,343 posts)"Controversies
"Federal agencies, including the National Security Agency, the F.B.I. and the Department of Homeland Security, monitor suspected terror sites on the Internet and sometimes track users. Private groups like Ms. Katz's Search for International Terrorist Entities Institute and The Middle East Media Research Institute are also keeping track of the ever-changing content of these sites. Ms. Katz's institute, which relies on government contracts and corporate clients, may be the most influential of those groups, and she is among the most controversial of the cyberspace monitors. While some experts praise her research as solid, some of her targets view her as a vigilante. Several Islamic groups and charities, for example, sued for defamation after she claimed they were terrorist fronts, even though they were not charged with a crime," the New York Times reported September 23, 2004.[10]
On 30 May 2008, The Daily Telegraph published an online article reporting that SITE had wrongly identified footage from the post-apocalyptic computer game Fallout 3 as being created by terrorists considering a nuclear attack against the West. According to the article, SITE found the Fallout 3 images in a video called Nuclear Jihad: The Ultimate Terror, posted on two possibly al-Qaeda affiliated and password protected websites, where it also gleaned chat logs from users discussing nuclear attacks on the West.[11] SITE released a statement to clarify its position, stating that it never claimed the images were produced by terrorists, although it didn't admit to knowing from the start that they were video game images.[12] The Daily Telegraph subsequently removed the article from its website."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SITE_Institute
triron
(22,020 posts)Bit I can see how some with certain perspectives may be more sympathetic to what you say. I am not in that category.
Thanks for the more informative 2nd post.
Kaleva
(36,343 posts)I doubt anyone here had heard of SITE before but it appears a number in this thread accept what is said in the the article without question despite no knowledge of the source.
mopinko
(70,215 posts)there was no failure here. the stand down order might have been the hardest part of the coup to pull off, but pull it off they did.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)I went to 3 annual conventions they held where AG, now governor, Abbot and then governor Rick Perry were keynote speakers. I was the only openly Democrat in attendance. They tolerated me because of what I had done for them. The strange thing was that several cops would take me aside privately and confess they voted for Democrats but could not admit it for fear of reprisal and termination. It is that bad in law enforcement!
wryter2000
(46,081 posts)It was obvious to everyone.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)babylonsister
(171,091 posts)expectations exceeded.
appleannie1
(5,068 posts)I knew there was going to be problems. My daughter got home from work in the morning, turned on the news, and tried to stay awake all day. That is something she never does. If we knew something was going to happen, I never could figure out why cops did not know. From the very beginning, when help did not arrive, I knew something was fishy and people at the top were in on it.
hadEnuf
(2,212 posts)No surprise, but there needs to be consequences for this.
triron
(22,020 posts)going the way of 1030s Germany.
Joelteply
(38 posts)I get that its unnerving to follow right wing forums but in my free time I was reading/participating on theDonald fairly regularly and this was damn obvious. It didnt take some special organization to figure it out. These were heavily trafficked public forums.
I was telling everyone around me what was going to happen. I took screenshots of all the planned violence and even was aware of specific threats like bombings. It wasnt exactly hidden to the world. I felt a little ridiculous sending the info the the FBI at the time, because I was sure they were monitoring it. My family thought I was crazy for telling them what was gonna happen on the 6th.
To find out this was such a mystery to so many people is incredibly frustrating. It actually turned out a little less violent than I anticipated.
People need to wake up and put in a little time following and talking to these nuts if possible. They want to kill us next.
stopdiggin
(11,361 posts)intelligence apparatus. Really can't be overstated - or overemphasized.
stopdiggin
(11,361 posts)with a hit and miss record/reputation. Personally I am much more concerned with the type of intelligence (and communication) coming forth from our official LE and intelligence sources. More than enough criticism to go around there. Why in the world would we be relying on people like SITE in the first place?
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)report it to the police, and do your best to make sure they take it as seriously as you do.
bucolic_frolic
(43,287 posts)Talk about nonchalance. Oh, it's a coup. They happen around the world all the time. Life goes on.
Why have we shortened coup d'etat to coup? And are we differentiating properly between a coup d'etat and an insurrection?
I think coup d'etat often but not always refers to a military takeover. An insurrection is an armed usually civilian seizure of political power that may or may not involve military participation, and always has political leaders running things.
Or at least that's my take on these terms.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)told not use force and not given any back-up or protection
why because they were white people protesting