So doesn't the banning of Critical Race Theory kinda prove Critical Race Theory?

[Mister Ed]

I mean, simply put, Critical Race Theory is the notion that racism may be more or less built in to our society's institutions, right?

So, if legislatures, municipalities, and school boards make it illegal to even discuss that notion in schools (and some other places), doesn't that pretty much prove the theory?

[MissMillie]

1. Perpetuating the cycle.

You can cut through the irony w/ a knife.

[scarytomcat]

39. Yes if we don't acknowledge and understand we are doomed to repeat it

racists don't know they are racists they must be taught to hate and also to stop the hate

[thucythucy]

2. Yup.

[panader0]

3. That's good Mister Ed.

[paleotn]

4. Obliquely, yes, it does. But it's also a symptom of a deeper problem...

The need to teach children lies instead of the truth. To teach them some "glorious", mythological lie about our nation's past. America has struggled with this symptom of fascism for a long time, and its feedback loops with the notion of exceptionalism.

[GB_RN]

8. Teach The Idea Of It, Yes. But...

Critical Race Theory itself isn't even an undergraduate curriculum level theory item, much less grade school level. The theory itself is taught at law school. So, the ReichWingers are getting their panties in a wad over nothing, and banning something that teachers aren't even covering in schools.

However, when they start banning kids books on Rosa Parks, etc, THAT's a horse of a different color. (Yeah, the link is to Faux Nuz, but the author of the book went on Faux to protest the banning of his book)

[Dustlawyer]

19. And most law schools do not teach it.

[GB_RN]

22. True

N/T

[paleotn]

21. The problem in the minds of the Reich Wing is....

what it represents to them. You're right, technically it's not even mentioned outside of academia. In this context, it loses its actual meaning and becomes a symbol of the right's fear of teaching the truth about slavery and racism in America. That truth flies in the face of their glorious origin myths. A mythology that is a prime ingredient in every fascist movement.

[GB_RN]

23. They Don't Get That...

By making such a big deal out of it, they’re actually making kids curious about CRT. These people are beyond stupid. The tRump-Kruger Effect is what I call it: Too stupid to know they’re stupid, but even dumber than that.

[paleotn]

27. Yep. Blowback. They never take into account blowback.

Tell a kid something is off limits without a good explanation why and they're sure to explore it.

[Celerity]

30. CRT as used by the RW is anything and everything that even remotely

deals with racism, systemic and otherwise. Actual, real CRT is hardly without it's legitimate, NON-RW critics, so the RW has picked a truly nefarious overall label to use as an attack weapon.

Also, the fact that actual CRT is so complex aids in the smearing, as a HUGE chunk of the US electorate has little to no desire nor inclination (and many lack the academic skills as well) to dive into the deep end of legal and political philosophy that is outside the mainstream.

[MiHale]

5. Brilliantly stated...

Never heard this before…should’ve it only makes sense.

[plimsoll]

6. Apparently.

And it's such a dangerous thought that we need to send it down the memory hole while we're at it.

[Wounded Bear]

7. This from the ones calling us lefties the "thought police"...

[certainot]

28. yeah we impose 'political correctness' for criticizing racists and climate deniers, for instance, an

and meanwhile they have 1500 radio stations that used to have to follow limbaugh's take on what is or isn't acceptable. any talk show host who didn't agree with him and their producers, manager, and call screeners would get yelled at by frustrated limbaugh dittoheads who waited hours and years and never got to talk to him because the few people who did get through were paid callers

limbaugh was the real political correctness cop in america and zombie limbaugh still hangs on

[Beastly Boy]

9. Critical Race Theory is a metod of inquiry. No more, no less.

It doesn't prove anything, nor does banning of it prove anything.

Banning Critical Race Theory is just as ridiculous as banning grammar or macroeconomics.

The only thing it can possibly prove is the abject ignorance of those trying to ban it.

[colsohlibgal]

10. The Right Wing Wants To Hoodwink People About This

It all happened trying to Whitewash history is sick. As a white lady it appalls me.

Oh I should add I’m a white lady who is 1-2 % African.......I imagine a lot of white racist types would get quite the shock if they got a DNA test.

[Shermann]

11. No, it's a kind of fallacy

It is a conspiratorial argumentum ad populum that asserts that something must be true mainly because a large group of undesirables are asserting it is false.

As far as proofs go, it is weak.

[plimsoll]

37. It wasn't actually posed as a proof, but on it's surface it would be open to those claims.

On the other hand, there are reasons to argue that the efforts to suppress what the right is calling “critical race theory” are evidence that they believe “critical race theory” has both merit and is dangerous to their positions.

This will probably be Tl NR.

First they’re not actually objecting to Critical Race Theory, which as others pointed out is a relatively obscure and on it’s own somewhat contentious legal theory. Why the right would want to conflate this legal theory with the teaching about the impacts of institutional and systemic is another interesting question that someone else should look at. Regardless, they seem to be terrified of acknowledging that institutional and systemic racism are historic facts and lingering ills in our society.

The suppression of evidence and education about systemic racism may have other motivations, but the simplest explanation is that not allowing it to be discussed assists in obscuring its existence. In essence the systemic racism becomes an intrinsic part of the system. By preventing the investigation of system racism you are both systematizing and institutionalizing it.

[Maine Abu El Banat]

12. Excellent point!

[Demsrule86]

13. Those who ban it don't really use it...this was a college...I think PHD level course.

[czarjak]

14. "I'm not a racist", so let's move on is the drift. (I've been told)

[Picaro]

15. Yup

We’re unique among nations in that our racism was codified in our Constitution.

When Obama was elected many in the media declared us to now be in a post-racism society. The Roberts court went so far as to gut the Voting Rights act and all the Southern bad actors immediately showed the world that racism is alive and well in the US.

What a sad spectacle we are playing out.

Yes, banning teaching about racism pretty much proves we’re still seriously racist.

[IbogaProject]

16. Actually they project CRT is the 'racist' isdue

Actually they project and claim CRT is the 'racist' isdue. After all they & their parents didn't have slaves etc.

I saw a stupid meme with Winston Churchil with a quote that a person can't be guilty of his anchester's sins. I pointed out that he was an heir to a fortune built trading slaves and didn't earn his wealth. So if he could inherit success he has to inherit the faults too.

I reminded thembthst slavery lasted almost 250 years and much was built with that stolen labor, even up north both Pennsylvania and New Jersey had loopholes that allowed slaves to build construction projects.

I mentioned redlining and banning minorities and single women from mortgages after WW2 and how long slavery actually was in my second rebuttal. I also mentioned while I'm pro social security the fact that only labor is taxed for it regressively and that this is what has sucked prosperity out of minority and rural areas.

They suggested we should 'agree to disagree' I've never wanted to hit someone very often in my life.

[Evolve Dammit]

17. Exactly. Don't talk about or record those things that are/were mistakes in our past or present.

Keep it like Norman Rockwell paintings or 1950's teevee. And never talk about anything that might be uncomfortable. If necessary, alter (re-write) to make it all feel better.

[jaxexpat]

18. Purrrrrrrfectly logical.

[PatrickforB]

20. Indeed. But there are a lot, and I mean A LOT of cray-cray

people out there.

Lots of haters. Lots of fear.

It blows me away how many of these people are willing to die of their own stupidity as long as they get to 'own the libs.'

[BeckyDem]

24. Confirms the desire of these Americans to continue their hatred/racisim.

If you examine your racism, you can begin to put an end to it. Clearly, that is not their goal.

[malaise]

25. Look they know that all the lies and myths have been shattered

All the lies about Native Americans, African-Americans anb progressive white people have been exposed.
They are terrified of the truth.

[Claire Oh Nette]

40. They are terrified of the truth.

Sums it up nicely, Malaise.

They think CRT means being critical of racists. And they are terribly thin skinned--being called a racist is worse to them than being racist.

The truth is those who fear CRT and fear being Replaced *know* they are easily replaced; they can not compete on a level playing field; they are, at best, small-minded, incurious, mediocre, and mean; they prefer fantasy, mythology, and delusion so much so they insist on indoctrinating children and others while decrying any discussion of anything they choose to remain ignorant of.

Hatred is a secondary emotion, covering for fear.

[multigraincracker]

26. On the other hand, the same ones that want to make it illegal to discuss it

are now pushing "Replacement Theory". Straight out of the National Socialist play book.

[dchill]

29. The first rule of Fight Club.

[Ford_Prefect]

31. Most of the people who worry so publicly about CRT know as little about it as they do about

Antifa, BLM or any section of the Constitution, including the 2nd amendment. They are the same angry know-nothings who attacked "The Life Of Brian" as sacrilegious and anti-Christian without so much as a thread of evidence to support those conclusions (they had not seen the film nor were they biblical or historical scholars)

Bannon et al ginned up this one out of thin air. Much of the practices and literature they deride as CRT have been in place for decades.

Other things they know little at all about are U.S., English, and African history, along with how and why those interconnect. We'll leave the question of Portuguese and other European empires open for now...To say nothing of North African and Arab slave trading.

[ancianita]

32. Yes. Yes, it does. Racism -- the evil that dare not speak its name.

When institutions control all acknowledgement or DENIAL of the reality of racism, by doing that, they institutionalize individual prejudice by giving it institutional validation, and thereby make it a normalized cultural 'ism.' An evil 'ism.'

The South called slavery its "peculiar institution." Those who pushed that framing knew in their black hearts that enslaving humans was wrong. But they tried to give it some moral equivalency with other human institutions, like education. False equivalence runs through the history of alt-right alt-everything.



Except Americans should never accept the institutionalizing of an evil.

[The Fifty Stateman]

33. Pretty Much

But let's not waste good logic on the wingnuts.

[llashram]

34. pure and simple

it's akin to burning books for me...

[MacKasey]

36. YES

That should be one of the replies to CRT

So you're in favor of book burning

[llashram]

38. yeah right!

only if I loved Hitler and his mini-me trump...

[calimary]

35. It's really stunning to me how much we have to push back against, these days.

I’ve never seen it THIS bad.

[OLDMDDEM]

41. No doubt about it!

[OldBaldy1701E]

42. Oh yeah. (n/t)

[eppur_se_muova]

43. Irony is an utterly ungraspable alien concept to RWNJs.

They think everything proves they're right, no matter how much it proves they're wrong.

[pansypoo53219]

44. oooh! you used logic! and growth. not allowed!!!

[IronLionZion]

45. It's also for colleges and law schools, not grade schools

but people who benefit from the status quo don't want students studying it or asking difficult questions that might reduce their benefits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

[sellitman]

46. Book marked for future use

Thanks.

This will confuse meatheads I encounter in the future. lol

[tclambert]

47. Opposing education about racism is itself racism.

[Martin68]

48. Republicans confuse Critical Race Theory and History. It's just a blast on the old dog whistle

to warn other racists that liberals want children to study actual history in school, and that would be dangerous to their sly plot to pretend not to be racists and prevent their children from learning the truth.

[NCjack]

49. Rename Critical Race Theory to a non-relevant name. No one

will bother to read about it and raise hell. I

Here is a suggestion: "Silver Threads and Golden Needles". See what I mean? The eyes just roll over it and move on.