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Funtatlaguy

(10,893 posts)
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:56 PM Oct 2021

If Biden pulls off these 3 big things, Dems will crush 2022.

1. Get the second infrastructure bill passed at at least 2 trillion.
2. Get America fully double Covid vaccinated at at least 70%.
3. Convince SineManchin to do a filibuster carve out on Voting Rights.

I know that those are three big tasks.
But all are possible and all are preferred by a majority of Americans.
Go Joe!

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If Biden pulls off these 3 big things, Dems will crush 2022. (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Oct 2021 OP
I think... Mike Nelson Oct 2021 #1
What about item three. It could be argued that IT is the most important. Funtatlaguy Oct 2021 #3
I hope... Mike Nelson Oct 2021 #4
I agree with you. It won't help Biden to accomplish a boat-load of popular things 70sEraVet Oct 2021 #17
Yep. Protecting our precious right to vote should be FIRST to be done! calimary Oct 2021 #25
I'd say #3 is incontestable... Septua Oct 2021 #29
Yeah, it will be a Fourth Reich. No doubt there. Trump even practices Hitler's gestures. PatrickforB Oct 2021 #34
..think they want a war... Septua Oct 2021 #35
Exactly. Think about those tough guys that beat the cops with flagpoles and PatrickforB Oct 2021 #36
Way better ... the media need drama to make money, KPN Oct 2021 #18
True, hopefully it'll be 3 trillion too traitorsgalore Oct 2021 #2
Didn't happen in 2020 regardless of court challenges..right up to SCOTUS PortTack Oct 2021 #5
You haven't been paying attention Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #11
Thanks for explaining so accurately traitorsgalore Oct 2021 #12
State legislatures CANNOT overturn popular vote PortTack Oct 2021 #13
If the GOP thought they couldn't do it, 70sEraVet Oct 2021 #21
If it were that easy, we would have lost our democracy long ago! PortTack Oct 2021 #32
And at that point, the legitimate federal government can be ruthless in KPN Oct 2021 #19
Oh, is that all? Easy peasy, lemon squeezy 🙄 Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #6
If you were a Vegas bookie, what odds would put on each item happening? Funtatlaguy Oct 2021 #8
With the Arizona Agent of Chaos, I wouldn't be wagering. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #28
Oh come on. Let us humor ourselves for a moment. Who knows, KPN Oct 2021 #20
#4 Trump prosecution. Nt manicdem Oct 2021 #7
3 won't happen. Marius25 Oct 2021 #9
Immigration reform must be on that list - Latinos are sick of empty promises. Liberty Belle Oct 2021 #10
Fingers Crossed DET Oct 2021 #14
If President Biden achieves these three things BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #15
Ain't that the truth. And while it's pretty daunting, it KPN Oct 2021 #22
Amen to that! BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #24
The only way it will happen is up to Manchin, Inema, and the progressive caucus JohnSJ Oct 2021 #16
Someone I know who is not a Biden fan, really roiled how the Afghanistan pull out was handled. Xolodno Oct 2021 #23
Go Joe!!! Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #26
They better figure out how to slow down inflation and rising prices madville Oct 2021 #27
Maybe - maybe number 2 lame54 Oct 2021 #30
2022 RayStar Oct 2021 #31
K & R mountain grammy Oct 2021 #33

Mike Nelson

(9,984 posts)
1. I think...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:04 PM
Oct 2021

... It's possible! The first two will get done, more or less. the results should be felt during Nov 2022. Also, Biden got Afghanistan out of the way early. His Administration is in better shape than the media says, I think...

Mike Nelson

(9,984 posts)
4. I hope...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:12 PM
Oct 2021

... they get voting rights done. They've had a couple bills... but they seem dead. I'm not sure what the plan is, now, but they better do something!

70sEraVet

(3,535 posts)
17. I agree with you. It won't help Biden to accomplish a boat-load of popular things
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:06 PM
Oct 2021

if states with Repub controlled legislatures can overturn elections!

Septua

(2,267 posts)
29. I'd say #3 is incontestable...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:06 PM
Oct 2021

If the voting rights bill doesn't become law, states will end up with the power to ignore election results, Trump's cult will take over the country and do as they damn well please. And it's not hard to imagine how that will play out.

PatrickforB

(14,604 posts)
34. Yeah, it will be a Fourth Reich. No doubt there. Trump even practices Hitler's gestures.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 10:09 PM
Oct 2021

These people are now under a black and white American flag, meaning no quarter. Just like Quantril, Bloody Bill and Frank James.

The Confederate guerillas were traitors, and these Trumpies are as well. They have guns, cammies, freeze dried food and bunkers and they think they want, and can win, a civil war.

This is why the voting rights bill is so important - we have that, and it becomes a moot point because these kluxers will fade into the trashheap of history. Don't and we really could tear ourselves apart.

Septua

(2,267 posts)
35. ..think they want a war...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 11:19 PM
Oct 2021

Yeah, I often wonder how many of them are actually ready and willing to go to war. I don't doubt the most extreme bunch with the freeze dried food is itching for a fight but the mouthy ones remind you of Trump...big bully with a wide yellow stripe down his back.

PatrickforB

(14,604 posts)
36. Exactly. Think about those tough guys that beat the cops with flagpoles and
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 11:27 PM
Oct 2021

crushed that one poor guy in a door on January 6. They talked big then, but when in court facing judgement, the tears and self-pity came.

Civil war would be an evil thing, something no sane person would want. Let's hope it never happens.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
18. Way better ... the media need drama to make money,
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:07 PM
Oct 2021

so they make up bullshit. Get a couple more results and then promote the hell out of them … slam dunk!

traitorsgalore

(1,397 posts)
2. True, hopefully it'll be 3 trillion too
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:06 PM
Oct 2021

However, Texas and some other states will overthrow the dems that win and install their own puppets and refuse to accept legal challenges from the federal government. I hope I'm wrong but I know I'm not, and when that happens every Qanut fascist seditious trumplican will see it as their big opportunity to try to overthrow whatever statehouse or capital in whatever state they're in.

PortTack

(32,820 posts)
5. Didn't happen in 2020 regardless of court challenges..right up to SCOTUS
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:14 PM
Oct 2021

They can try and overthrow duly elected officials. It won’t stand in the courts

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
11. You haven't been paying attention
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:28 PM
Oct 2021

The 2020 court challenges failed because they were based on unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud.

In 2022, several state legislatures have given themselves the power to reject certification of election results they think aren’t accurate or simply don’t like. So, rather than the GOP needing to prevail in court, as was the case in 2020, the burden will be on the Dems. Since no law will have been broken, what case would the Dems have to make?

PortTack

(32,820 posts)
13. State legislatures CANNOT overturn popular vote
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:44 PM
Oct 2021
https://www.justsecurity.org/73274/no-state-legislatures-cannot-overrule-the-popular-vote/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/18/voters-pick-president-state-legislatures-no-veto-power-column/6311981002/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/18/voters-pick-president-state-legislatures-no-veto-power-column/6311981002/

I can post several more... so don’t go saying I’m not paying attention. Yes, different issues in 2020, my point is that SCOTUS, conservative as it maybe is not into overturning valid elections...period.
Electors are chosen by the party that wins the popular vote..see Brooking institute report SCOTUS ruling 7/2020 on faithless electors.

If that were the case, and it was that easy.just make a law regardless of how unconstitutional it is...we’d have lost our democracy long long ago!

70sEraVet

(3,535 posts)
21. If the GOP thought they couldn't do it,
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:12 PM
Oct 2021

they wouldn't be trying so hard to make sure they CAN do it.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
19. And at that point, the legitimate federal government can be ruthless in
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:09 PM
Oct 2021

quelling insurrection. So that would actually be a welcome thing in my estimation.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
20. Oh come on. Let us humor ourselves for a moment. Who knows,
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:11 PM
Oct 2021

that may be just what it takes to get the job done.

Liberty Belle

(9,539 posts)
10. Immigration reform must be on that list - Latinos are sick of empty promises.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:28 PM
Oct 2021

Congress needs to push through protection for Dreamers and beyond that, a system to allow a pathway for citizenship for those who have been here for years and committed no crimes other than immigration violations.

We also need a system where people can apply for work permits or temporary visas to visit family as one can do from most other parts of the world, but not Mexico or countries in Central and South America.

A friend helps rescue or recover migrants lost crossing the border. Too often they are dead. Some are fathers or grandfathers who were trying to come here to be with a daughter or granddaughter giving birth, or other family milestones. Why isn't there a legal way to do this?

DET

(1,334 posts)
14. Fingers Crossed
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:45 PM
Oct 2021

1. I’d be happy at this point if they just passed the first infrastructure bill - anything we can point to as a win. As a practical matter, they will probably eventually agree on some sort of social infrastructure bill; I just hope it’s before the Virginia election.
2. 70% is a stretch. Unfortunately, most of this is not up to us, unless we crack down a lot harder on the unvaccinated (e.g., make them pay their own damn hospital bills).
3. Or something. Voting rights is by far the biggest issue, and the most intractable at this point. I don’t care what it takes, but it has to get done. Someone really needs to think outside the box here, or just do what Republicans would do - wave your hands to get rid of the filibuster and say ‘Tough s*** - what are you gonna do about it?’

KPN

(15,677 posts)
22. Ain't that the truth. And while it's pretty daunting, it
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:14 PM
Oct 2021

ain’t out of the question. So let’s help as we can, and “let it be so”.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
24. Amen to that!
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:22 PM
Oct 2021

It’s going to take a village to achieve these goals - I’m sure willing to do my bit.

JohnSJ

(92,502 posts)
16. The only way it will happen is up to Manchin, Inema, and the progressive caucus
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:55 PM
Oct 2021

The problem is Manchin and Sinema don’t care if we lose the majority on 2022. They have made that very clear

The way I see it, it will be up to the progress caucus to bend to the will of Sinema and Manchin, because they won’t.

Remember Manchin said before the primary in 2020, and he could not support Bernie if he won the nomination

This is what we are up against

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468278-manchin-says-he-wouldnt-back-sanders-against-trump-in-presidential-race?amp

Xolodno

(6,410 posts)
23. Someone I know who is not a Biden fan, really roiled how the Afghanistan pull out was handled.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:20 PM
Oct 2021

And said it will kill his presidency. Told him 6-9 months no one will remember or care much.

I'm thinking shortly before the mid-terms, they announce a 10k Student Loan forgiveness and a plan that needs to get through Congress that gradually forgives loans, caps what you pay prior to forgiveness, etc.

Younger people are harder to get out to vote during mid-terms, this lights a fire underneath their ass.

madville

(7,413 posts)
27. They better figure out how to slow down inflation and rising prices
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:52 PM
Oct 2021

If the prices at the pump and grocery store continue rising at this pace, 2022 is going to be a disaster regardless of that other stuff. All people see their dollars buying less and less and it’s typically the #1 issue with voters, and voters will blame whoever is in charge.

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