Dr. Pierre Kory, Ivermectin's most vocal supporter, exposed as a fraud...

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BREAKING: Dr. Pierre Kory, Ivermectin's most vocal supporter, exposed as a fraud for citing unscientific, poor quality studies to push Ivermectin disinformation used by leading GQPers to justify use of the ineffective and unapproved treatment


10:26 AM · Oct 15, 2021

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. So the "good" doctor is a fraud? Glad to see this clip debunk Ivermectin's use. n/t

[11 Bravo]

2. To any lurking Republicans: This is FAKE NEWS! The ONLY sure way to avoid Covid is ...

horse de-wormer with a Clorox chaser! Don't let the libtards fool you!

[madeup64]

3. This guy needs to be in prison

Trumpers were giving this stuff to their damn kids. I don't care much if Trumpers want to take it but sadly the children had no choice.

[crimycarny]

4. So disappointing...

In the very beginning of this whole COVID nightmare I had hopes for IVM. H*ll, I had hopes for anything to work! Dr. Peirre Kory appeared legit as he and his group also stated hydroxychloroquine didn't work, so it didn't appear he was "hawking" only alternative therapies.

There are two huge double-blind placebo trials going on right now for IVM and its effectiveness on COVID. One is being conducted by Oxford University Researchers (5000 participants), the other by Duke Research Institute (15,000 participants). Hopefully, these legit studies will settle this once and for all.

[Maraya1969]

8. There is a brand new drug out for Covid and other treatments that are very promising

Why are some people so hoping that this particular drug works? Especially when it is an anti-parasite drug?

Why don't you just go with the latest medical developments instead of hoping that Ivermectin pans out when it has shown virtually no benefits so far?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. MAGAts & imbeciles (but I repeat myself) have done research & found studies supporting ivermectin.nt

[crimycarny]

25. All the more reason to be happy about Oxford and Duke Research doing a real clinical trial

I know many who were neither MAGAts nor imbeciles who thought/hoped IVM might be helpful back when there was literally NOTHING to fight this thing with. They were just scared people hoping there was something out there to help. I know LEGIT doctors who were hoping for anything would help, and if IVM was one of those things they would have been thrilled. These people were on the front lines, there was nothing political about it. They weren't MAGAts or imbeciles either, They were dealing with death every day and had nothing to fight back with yet. Unfortunately, as time went on, it became clear IVM was not an effective treatment and that's when it became so political. With those still "pro" spouting conspiracy theories and those "con" snickering and joking about "horse dewormer" despite the fact that IVM has been used in humans for almost 40 years. Neither is honest.

I'm looking forward to seeing data from the critical trials to shut up both sides from flinging verbal feces at each other.

[crimycarny]

24. what part of "in the very beginning" of my post did you miss?

As I wrote in my post, in the very beginning of this nightmare I was hopeful IVM would work. Who wouldn't have been hopeful? No vaccine yet, how awesome it would have been if an existing drug could have been repurposed? Don't confuse hopeful with unquestioning belief.

As for the latest medical developments, who said I wasn't going with them versus "hoping that Ivermectin works". I have been keeping an eye out on all, particularly the antivirals in Phase III. I've written about one of those more than once on this forum. AT-527 by Atea and Roche is the one I think looks the most promising.

Though I don't believe IVM works against COVID, your point about IVM being an anti-parasite drug is irrelevant. Look back on the history of drugs developed for a certain disease that were found effective for something completely different. The very first antidepressant was actually a drug to treat tuberculosis. And we all know about that blue pill.

[Dreampuff]

9. Thank you for precise info on the trials.

Wonder why there was only a brief news report on this. If you are following the story and the results are released, please post it.

I have a relative who got covid ( was against the $35 vaccination shots, but somehow trusted the $2,100 regeneron treatment). Relative also took ivermectin for 2 days and claims that it is a lifesaver. Why would you bother taking the regeneron if you were just going to rely on the Ivermectin anyway? My theory is that the regeneron was the miracle drug.

[Claire Oh Nette]

23. Vaccines come at no charge.

Uncle Sam picks up the tab for the coronavirus vaccinations.

The vaccines are the miracles drugs. End of discussion.
Prevention is the magic bullet, not treatment for preventable disease.

[crimycarny]

26. Not true for immunocompromised or elderly with weakened immune systems

Vaccines are one of the best weapons but we need antivirals as well. Not everyone has an immune system that will evoke a strong enough response to be protective.

Merck's Molnupiravir seems promising but no data is out yet on whether or not it will work post-exposure (prophylactically). That's also a "prevention" method because someone can take it as soon as they are exposed and never develop the virus.

[Claire Oh Nette]

28. Um not true.

My 69 year old husband, with a kidney transplant got all three modernas for free. No charge.

Right here in the good ol' USA.

[crimycarny]

29. Sorry--I meant not true that vaccines are the magic bullet for everyone

I wasn't referring to cost, I meant ultimately we need more than just vaccines because not everyone can be protected by the vaccine. A highly effective antiviral will help those who either can't take the vaccine or who don't have a strong enough immune response to the vaccine to protect them..

Antivirals are generally much less vulnerable to mutations as well. So if, god forbid, a mutation develops that requires a whole new vaccine the antivirals can keep things in check until the new vaccine is rolled out.

[Claire Oh Nette]

30. That's not what you said....

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Another poster said, " Not true for immunocompromised or elderly with weakened immune systems"

I can name a dozen ladies in my golf club who are also triple vaxxed. All free.

Some immunocompromised. Some with heart disease, on oxygen. Some are cancer survivors.

ANti virals and anti parasitics are not the same class of medicines.


Are you pushing Regeneron? Is that it?

Lot of big words, but I worked in pharma research in Palo Alto for ten years. You claimed the vaccines cost $35. They don't.

The rest of what you say has no credibility.

[crimycarny]

31. What exactly are you arguing?

I honestly don't understand what you are arguing. Are you arguing that I claimed it wasn't free for everyone? I just clarified that this is not what I meant. And I think you are confusing who mentioned vaccines cost $35, that must have been a reply from someone else. I didn't mention anything about cost one way or the other.

I too worked in Big Pharma and the one I worked for was in Palo Alto as well.

My reply to your post was about antivirals being a good weapon for certain people. They are also good for post-exposure/prophylactic treatment.

Have you heard of HIV? It's that disease that used to be a death sentence until antivirals were developed. No vaccine for HIV yet, though hopefully, we'll get one soon.

This is not an argument about antivirals versus vaccines. We need BOTH. I'm grateful we have Regeneron because it appears to be helping some, but it's not practical for easy and widespread use. An effective pill form antiviral, like Tamiflu for flu, is what I'm hoping for.

I've been vaccinated and I will get my booster as soon as I'm eligible. But there ARE people out there who either can't take the vaccine or are too immunocompromised for the vaccine to be effective. As someone who worked in pharma I'd expect you to know that.

[Claire Oh Nette]

32. Yes. My brother has HIV.

Actually, his T-cell count is low enough that he's got full blown aids.


The Ivermectin doctor in the OP was revealed (surprise) as a fraud.

Therapeutics are great, but we have very safe, very effective vaccines, and a whole media, traditional and social, pushing crap science because they saw a you tube video, and very expensive therapeutics that would not be necessary had people gotten a free and simple shot. At this point anti vaxxers are playing games.

There is still no vaccine for HIV, but it's transmitted sexually, through exchange of bodily fluids, not via respiratory aerosol droplets. Treating symptoms is nice, but taking very simple precautions to prevent the need for treatment is better. Bet most folks at risk for HIV would love them a vaccine, to make all those therapeutic cocktails unnecessary.

Plenty of folks pushing alternatives, even those who really do know better.

[crimycarny]

33. A timely post about this subject

A fellow DU'er just posted this story about a fully vaxxed 21-year old student who died of COVID. This is why we need antivirals too.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215954779

Yes, I'm sure folks at risk for HIV would love a vaccine. Just like I'm sure that the fully vaccinated 21-year old who died of COVID anyway would have loved an antiviral as an extra weapon when he kept getting worse despite being vaccinated. It's not an "either/or", it's having as many weapons as possible for all the different scenarios.

My reply to you wasn't about using Ivermectin, it was about hoping some of the new antivirals in Clinical trials turn out to be effective. It might have gotten confused since the OP was about IVM, but I was specifically talking about the new drugs being developed.

[Dreampuff]

37. You are so right!

The vaccines and regeneron are free to the public, but they are paid for in one way or another through the government. My thoughts were that the $35 shots aren't good enough, but the $2,100 monoclonal treatment it's fine. Why are we wasting it on people who refuse to get vaccinated?

[HUAJIAO]

13. Thank you for your honest, thoughtful post.

Whether or not Pierre Cory was/is on to something. Whether or not got fooled. Whether or not he is a "fraud."-- this video proves nothing either way. It is just snippets of 'information' selected and edited to support a viewpoint.

That can clearly be done from whatever viewpoint one holds.

I hope these two studies are able to come up with a viable, accurate answer.
We'll see in the end...

[crimycarny]

27. That was my take on it too

That there was no way to tell from the video if he was purposely and knowingly committing fraud or if he truly thought it worked and believed the studies.

All the mud flinging from either side doesn't do anyone any good. What will do good is to get the hard data from these two big clinical trials so this can be put to rest and people can stop using IVM as a wedge issue.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

5. Does Dr Sanjay Gupta know this?

I read about his appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast. Big lesson out of it? You can't repeat your attack enough times. Rogan ragged on CNN countless times in this discussion.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/health/sanjay-gupta-joe-rogan-experience/index.html

[Cozmo]

6. Raw Pumpkin seeds are a great dewormer for dogs. Maybe it can cure Covid?

[Hav]

7. Yes, he is a fraud

and it's important that those bad studies, not only him, are exposed.
But to be fair, other serious meta reviews also fell for those bad studies until one by one, almost all of them were found out to be either garbage or fraudulent.

[moondust]

10. How much stock does he own

in the maker of Ivermectin? Gettin' rich quick off antivax COVIDiots?

[Hav]

12. There wasn't just one bogus study though

And to everyone referencing the many studies showing an alleged effectiveness, I highly recommend taking a look at this article "Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug": https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

"Campaigners for the drug point to a number of scientific studies and often claim this evidence is being ignored or covered up. But a review by a group of independent scientists has cast serious doubt on that body of research.

The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness.

Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study"."

[KG]

14. trumpers: you say 'exposed as a fraud' like it's a bad thing!

[Orrex]

16. Meaningless

Wakefield has been exposed as a fraud many times over, yet the "vaccines cause Autism" cult still soldiers on.

Kory himself could denounce his earlier statements, and the Trump cult would simply declare that he'd been turned, while still believing his bullshit.

[ffr]

19. +1 This headline only means something to the 75% of the rest of us

who don't subscribe to alternative facts or a crazy alternative universe.

TFG has been living the fantasy that he is still POTUS and therefore his followers need to subscribe to the same world beliefs, 25% of the hardcore cult members will do.

So exposing another cult member as a fraud is easily dismissed when your whole world view is made up as you go along. Keep eating the horse paste!

[Aussie105]

17. The desire to find a readily available preventative and cure for COVID is real.

But combine wishful thinking with a lack of understanding, and what do you end up with?

UV light up your butt, Chlorox used internally, anti malarial drugs, horse dewormer . . . the list goes on.

HINT: there is a vaccine available . . . no need to experiment on yourself, or listen to snake oil salesmen.

[BlueIdaho]

18. Grassroots Quackery

Fits right in with the celebration of ignorance that is the GQP.

[SergeStorms]

20. Wait just a minute....

he said he had "break-through" COVID infection?

What did it break through, the rocks in your head? You can only have a "break-through" infection if you're vaccinated, not squirting horse de-wormer up your ass!

This guy has more bullshit than a slaughterhouse.

[NurseJackie]

21. I'll celebrate his death if Covid wins! (Or if he poisons himself with SHEEP DIP!)

It's people like this who have PROLONGED this pandemic and who are RESPONSIBLE for hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

He's part of a DEATH CULT and I hope he gets his wish before he harms even more INNOCENT and VULNERABLE people.

[Qutzupalotl]

22. Come on, he's wearing a LAB COAT! He must be legit!

[we can do it]

34. Time for these jerks to lose their licenses.

[msfiddlestix]

35. Wondering if medical fraud is considered a criminal offense, not just a civil offense?

what will be the consequences for this scamming quack?

[Blue Owl]

36. The worm has turned on that 'doctor'

[UTUSN]

38. K&R