Interesting new directive from the Chief of Naval Operations for vaccine refusers

[Nevilledog]

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Ron Filipkowski
@RonFilipkowski
Interesting section of the new directive from the Chief of Naval Operations. 98% of the US Navy is now vaccinated. This is for the 2%.

https://mynavyhr.navy.mil/Portals/55/Messages/NAVADMIN/NAV2021/NAV21225.txt…
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9:54 AM · Oct 16, 2021

[Hekate]

1. Whoa!

For some reason that strikes me as funny.

[Wingus Dingus]

2. You don't get to keep your special pays and bonuses if they kick you

out (or punish you) for not following orders. Makes sense.

[old guy]

3. Kick'em out.

[plimsoll]

4. Getting the vaccine is sort of a combat readiness issue.

If you are unable to be deployed because you'll get sick you've weakened national security.

So the way I look at this is: You have people defying lawful orders, that right there can get you booted. They're defying orders to prove a political point, can this person be trusted within the national defense apparatus. Frankly they're security risks, and they should be removed.

[Rural_Progressive]

22. This wouldn't have even been an issue 50 years ago

I should know I was one of the guys giving those shots. Nobody got to pick and chose anything. Once you took the oath and signed the paper your butt belonged to whatever branch you had signed up for, refuse to follow a lawfully given order, you suffered the consequences.

PERIOD

[Irish_Dem]

35. Military families going overseas get lined up for shots too.

I grew up in the military and when stationed overseas we had to line up and get all kinds of vaccines.
No one even thought of fighting it, we were glad to get some protection from illness.

[JohnnyRingo]

23. Plus, it's the Navy

Everyone saw what happened on cruise ships. Even some among vaxxed crewmembers I suppose.

One person could disable the entire ship for weeks in very short order. Then it has to be in port for disinfection.

[FakeNoose]

26. Not really - the sailors have to live in close quarters with one another onboard

... and they can't be worried about who's carrying viruses and who isn't. Like others have said, they ALL get their shots before they get on a ship. Nobody gets asked first, nobody says No - they just get 'em.

Whether these guys go into combat or not, it's a safety issue for everyone on board. Nobody gets to play princess on a U.S. Navy ship.

[plimsoll]

37. All that is true, but doesn't impact the GOP folks.

Say they're threatening national security, that might get their attention. Who knows anymore.

[onetexan]

30. +1 -K&R

[Augiedog]

5. Takn' out da trash. Most of these idiots will be trump humpers, proud baby's, deadenders, etc.

[packman]

6. Damn, that's the way to do it

All agencies, businesses, etc. should follow the same procedure. Kudos to the Chief.

[KS Toronado]

7. Hit 'em in the pocket book & they'll come around

[3Hotdogs]

8. I like that they may sue to recover the

Cost of their education and training.

[OMGWTF]

9. My son had to get 17 vaccinations to go overseas with his USCG Reserve Unit

[Hortensis]

15. !

[albacore]

25. I win!

In the Marines - about a thousand years ago - I got 32 vaccinations over 4 years...for things like Typhus, Black Plague, Yellow Fever...you name it.

And nobody asked me if I wanted them, and I didn't tell anybody they were interfering with my freedom. Shit... I didn't TELL anybody anything.

It's totally a readiness issue. Can't fight ... or just do your job... if you are sick. And giving the illness to your comrades.

[48656c6c6f20]

28. Ouch

Brings back flash of scared medic and sliced arms. But you're right, I was told to do it. No one asked and that was that.

[albacore]

31. I told my wife about all the vaccinations...

...and she asked if I had any unpleasant side-effects.

I told her that: A) nobody ever asked if we had unpleasant side effects.
B) Nobody gave a shit whether we had unpleasant side effects.
and
C) My life was pretty much "unpleasant side effects" at that point.

Besides, our Corpsman would just give us a couple of APCs and tell us to suck it up.

[Paladin]

10. Outstanding! (nt)

[SheltieLover]

11. Excellent! 👏👏👏👏

[patphil]

12. When I was in the military, you didn't have a choice. You got the vaccines they gave, period!

[paleotn]

14. Refusal never even occurred to me or anyone I ever heard of.

Bizarre. That would be like saying...."I think I'll skip this deployment. I've got things to do back home and being told to go impinges on my personal freedom." Whaa?!

[paleotn]

13. The Navy has always had interesting and creative ways...

of making you straighten up and fly right.

Makes perfect sense. Covid is a serious readiness issue and tight quarters on Navy vessels is no place for a preventable, contagious disease.

[HootieMcBoob]

16. When I was in Basic Training

Way back in 1991 they shot us up with so many vaccinations. Not a one of knew what they were or even dared to ask. We didn’t have a choice. That’s the thing about this that’s so strange to me. Why is this so different?

[ShazzieB]

21. Exactly. Why is this so different,

AND why does anyone think they can get away with refusing to follow an order?

I've never been in the military, but it's always even my understanding that one of the core elements of serving in any branch is learning, from Day One, to follow orders, promptly, correctly, and without question. Is that not so, and if it is, who are all these snowflakes who have suddenly decided that they can decide not to follow one particular other (get vaccinated for covid) without experiencing serious consequences?

I. Don't. Get. It.

[SunSeeker]

17. Good. nt

[artemisia1]

18. Everyone in the Armed Forces gets a boatload of vaccines upon entrance. How is this

any different?

[Hortensis]

19. 2%. :) I read about the hoops personnel have to jump through to

get an exemption, under the scrutiny of professionals who have records including vaccinaton histories, allergies, and religious preferences. The military is somewhat better equipped than most private employers to pick out liars, fakers and wingnuts and compel compliance.

[C Moon]

20. Those who aren't vaccinated are probably pro Trump and his lost election, anyway.

So they aren't trustworthy.

[SeattleVet]

24. Always been that way...

if you don't fulfill the terms of your enlistment contract, they can recoup their costs.

My first tech school after basic training lasted about 9 months (Integrated Avionics Component Technician on FB-111A Aircraft). It started with basic electronics (AC and DC theory, series and parallel circuit calculations for resistance, capacitance, inductance, etc...), followed by several months of system-specific training on the various computers and flight controls, the test stations and other test equipment, and more. The overall costs of that training (including my pay, housing, meals, etc.) was in the multiple hundreds of thousands of US Tax Dollars.

Any of the high-tech jobs in any branch of the service carries with it a very high training cost, and if someone has their enlistment cut short they are wasting those dollars.

The Air Force wanted to make sure that the cost of that training was not wasted.

[MineralMan]

29. Exactly. The USAF decided in 1965 that I should be

a Russian linguist. So they sent me to a total immersion language school at Syracuse University for 9 months. We were taught by a team of native Russian speakers. The cost of that was very high, indeed. Then I was sent to Turkey to sit in front of a console that cost millions.

Training military specialists is very costly. They're right to expect you to do the job you were trained for. I got more Vaccinations than you would believe, including some experimental ones. I just rolled up.my sleeves.

[MichMan]

33. Even if you re enlisted multiple times?

Is there a specific number of years one has to serve before their training is essentially "paid off"

If someone after being trained serves four years and gets discharged doesn't have to pay for training, it doesn't seem right that someone serving twelve years would.

[SeattleVet]

34. Your enlistment is a contract with the US government.

As long as you served the time you had agreed to, either 4 or 6 years on an initial enlistment, you were OK. We didn't have a lot of 4-year enlistees in my initial career field...most were obligated to 6 years. I initially enlisted for 6 years for the extra benefits...2 stripes (E-3) at the end of Basic Training, which put me on a path for earlier promotion than others that joined at the same time, and I was also guaranteed my specific career field, and had a 12-month guarantee of my first assignment at the end of my initial tech school training (big whoop - it turned out that there were only 2 bases that had the aircraft I was trained on, and both were in the extreme Northeast where the snow and ice lasted pretty much until 'mosquito season' started - we went from 20-below zero with whiteout conditions for weeks at a time to swatting everything around you).

The few that were on a 4-year enlistment fulfilled their contract at the end of that time, but the Air Force dangled some pretty decent re-enlistment bonuses for the fields that had a long (a.k.a. 'expensive') tech schools and a shortage of people to try to get airmen to re-enlist. Most of those were also 6-year enlistment extensions.

I did my initial 6 years in my guaranteed field, then cross-trained into Electronic Computer Maintenance (another multi-month classroom experience) and re-enlisted for 6 years so I could accept an overseas 'long tour' in Germany (3 years instead of 18 months). My final assignment when I left Germany was 3 years at an Army base/Department of Defense Agency that used to deny their own existence (Mineral Man served at the same facility in Laurel, MD - we'd tell you more, but then we'd probably have to shoot you!). I separated after 12 years of service in 1984 - I finished my enlistment and did not extend my obligation to be able to accept an assignment to a small listening post near the DMZ in Korea to work on some 30-year-old equipment, after having worked on some absolutely state-of-the-art computer equipment for 3 years. Got out, got an amazingly good job with a major financial institution in NYC working with some of the newer computers, and forfeited any claim to retirement benefits (but what I made in NYC and was able to save and invest more than made up for what I may have collected in retirement benefits over the long run).

[Tetrachloride]

27. i have had 6-7 vaccination shots in the past 15 mon

2-3 to go.

[keithbvadu2]

32. Trump's shaman was kicked out of the Navy for refusing an anthrax vaccine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/gop-rep-thomas-massie-schooled-after-claiming-military-will-quit-if-the-covid-vaccine-is-mandated/ar-AALNaaS

GOP Rep Thomas Massie Schooled After Claiming Military 'Will Quit If the COVID Vaccine Is Mandated'
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Trump's shaman was kicked out of the Navy for refusing an anthrax vaccine.

He did not 'quit'.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/12/navy-career-of-qanon-shaman-ended-after-he-refused-anthrax-vaccine.html

[Irish_Dem]

36. If the military paid for your undergrad or grad degrees, this could be expensive.

Think of all the academy graduates, ROTC, grad school, medical school, etc.