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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,917 posts)
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 02:50 PM Oct 2021

The Left's War Against The New York Times

I cancelled my subscription to the NYT a long time ago. The NYT is very biased against Democrats and the NYT coverage of the Clinton tapes helped elect TFG. I am happy with my subscription with the Washington Post and have issues opening articles posted on the NYT due to the clear bias of this paper. It seems that I am not alone This is a long but good article on the NYT



See https://newrepublic.com/article/146828/lefts-war-new-york-times
The Times has flourished under Trump, witnessing a surge in digital subscriptions and regularly breaking major news about the administration and the Russia inquiry (not to mention #MeToo). Yet liberal criticism of the Times has also intensified, especially on social media. Not a day passes, it seems, without a prominent Twitter user complaining that the Times is biased against the left, too friendly to Trump and his supporters, or engaging in false equivalences between Democrats and Republicans.

Reporter Michael Schmidt was criticized for not asking more follow-up questions during an impromptu sit-down with Trump in December. His colleague Richard Fausset was accused of normalizing a neo-Nazi in his profile of an Ohio white nationalist the month before. Critics frequently charge that the Times is preoccupied with giving a voice to Trump supporters or even just saying something nice about the president, and the paper has openly struggled with how to cover racists. Broader criticisms go to questions of framing and context—whether news analysis of Trump is too gentle, like when Peter Baker described the president’s “reality-show accessibility,” or why the Times’ mobile phone push notifications seem strangely favorable to the White House. And then there’s the steady moan about the Times opinion section—not just stalwarts like Brooks and Ross Douthat, but Bret Stephens and Bari Weiss, both of whom joined the paper last year from The Wall Street Journal.....

Yet many on the left refuse to forget the Times’ transgressions over the years, such as when it helped President George W. Bush sell the Iraq War. Many complaints have to do with its coverage of just one Democratic family. As Esquire’s Charles Pierce wrote in mid-2016, while Hillary Clinton and Trump faced off for the presidency:

The Times obsession with finding something—anything!—it could hang on the Clintons goes all the way back to that moment three editors ago when the paper realized that its big Whitewater scoop was little more than a bag of Arkansas hot air. It has continued through the coverage of the Benghazi nothingburger, the e-mail nothingburger, and now, the Clinton Foundation nothingburger. When it comes to the once and (perhaps) future president of the United States, the Newspaper of Record is the In-and-Out of nothingburgers.

“It’s a very neurotic relationship American liberals have with The New York Times, and that The New York Times has with American liberals,” New York University journalism professor Jay Rosen told me. “I think it has a lot to do with the Clintons.” Rosen said the paper has always prided itself on challenging Democrats as well as Republicans, which sometimes rankles its core readership (including liberal journalists). He said, “I think there is more tension now between the core loyalists of The New York Times and the newsroom, and it’s because of the political situation.”


Of course, many liberal critics blame the current political situation in part on the Times. Willis, a longtime blogger who spent 13 years at Brock’s pro-Clinton media watchdog group Media Matters before joining Shareblue, concedes the paper “has some of the best reporters there are” and “does good work.” But he insists the Times “hates” liberals and harbored “institutional hatred” for Clinton during the campaign, a claim former Times executive editor Jill Abramson has vehemently denied. Willis went so far as to tweet, a few weeks after the 2016 election, that his followers shouldn’t subscribe to either the Times or the Post since “it only encourages the bastards.”

Explicit calls for progressives to pull their money from the Times are surprisingly common now. Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas, a liberal in good standing with the likes of Tanden, is a prominent example:






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The Left's War Against The New York Times (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 OP
I have a subscription to the Washington Post LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #1
I switched my subscription several years ago from NYT to WaPo & have not regretted it. n/t lark Oct 2021 #2
Ditto. dixiechiken1 Oct 2021 #18
Good change! lark Oct 2021 #25
+1. Bezos doesn't need money - he's leaving it alone dalton99a Oct 2021 #4
Same here. SergeStorms Oct 2021 #14
The paper that gave us Iraq, Whitewater, the Hillary emails and constantly tried to normalize Trump dalton99a Oct 2021 #3
I have come to agree, in the last few years, with Trump on this one thing. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #5
The NYT is Propaganda Cha Oct 2021 #6
They've been kissing Trump's ass forever: dalton99a Oct 2021 #8
Shame on the NYT.. Cha Oct 2021 #10
Openly struggled? peggysue2 Oct 2021 #7
+1. It took them eons to say that Trump LIED dalton99a Oct 2021 #9
I canceled my NYT subscription a month ago AJT Oct 2021 #11
We also currently have WaPo now, cancelled NYT probably 5 times. Hortensis Oct 2021 #12
they are just click bait garbage ! monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #13
I stay away from Wall Street rags bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #15
I'm down with WaPo AND NYT... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #16
Two "I hate X and so should you" posts in a week? Sigh... brooklynite Oct 2021 #17
The Times did do a massive compilation mrsadm Oct 2021 #19
And they published the Trump tax returns too. Jon King Oct 2021 #20
This list of acceptable sources grows smaller Sympthsical Oct 2021 #21
Mr. Moulitsas is a "journalist" reified. He claims to respect science and to be... NNadir Oct 2021 #22
I take the Times. PatrickforB Oct 2021 #23
It's not just the NYT BaronChocula Oct 2021 #24
Hmm empedocles Oct 2021 #26
Political coverage is awful, national and international coverage is gold wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #27
Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #28

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,917 posts)
1. I have a subscription to the Washington Post
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 02:53 PM
Oct 2021

I agree with these comments from this article https://newrepublic.com/article/146828/lefts-war-new-york-times

But the Times’ reporting supremacy has been challenged of late, thanks to the resurgence of The Washington Post under its deep-pocketed owner, Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos. In this great newspaper war, some say the Post is taking a more subjective approach to the administration than its rival. “I think The Washington Post has positioned itself as an anti-Trump media outlet, whereas The New York Times doesn’t want to do that,” said Greenwald, a longtime critic of journalistic “objectivity.”

“The Washington Post is just better able to negotiate the Trump era than The New York Times,” Rosen said. “I don’t think the Times is pro-Trump or in Trump’s pocket. I think that’s grossly misstated and completely wrong. I do think they’ve had trouble finding their place in an extraordinary situation.... When I look at the front page of the Washington Post website, it’s just more willing to completely challenge what the Trump government is doing and contradict it. With the Times you get this more institutional, formal language.” Part of the challenge, in his view, is that the Trump administration has so devalued various conventions of the presidency, from the White House press briefing to the exclusive presidential interview. “The whole idea that by interviewing him you’re finding out about his governing intentions is false with Trump,” he said. “The noise and bravado he might have in the interview could have nothing to do with what he does tomorrow.... I just think the logic of interviewing Trump has collapsed.”

Ben Wikler, the Washington director for the progressive group MoveOn, faults the Times for not having a dedicated reporter covering the left in the way the Post’s Dave Weigel does. “I love the NYT, and it does amazing work. But unlike every other major outlet, it doesn’t have a reporter whose beat includes the left,” he tweeted last year. “At the Post, @daveweigel has covered the hell out of the resistance, just as he covered the Tea Party. No equiv at the Times. Blind spot. Compounding that blind spot is the way the rest of press takes its cues from the NYT.”

dalton99a

(81,707 posts)
3. The paper that gave us Iraq, Whitewater, the Hillary emails and constantly tried to normalize Trump
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 02:59 PM
Oct 2021

in the name of "journalism"


The New York Times is no friend of Democrats or working people. Its allegiance is to Wall Street and the oligarchs.


The Times obsession with finding something—anything!—it could hang on the Clintons goes all the way back to that moment three editors ago when the paper realized that its big Whitewater scoop was little more than a bag of Arkansas hot air. It has continued through the coverage of the Benghazi nothingburger, the e-mail nothingburger, and now, the Clinton Foundation nothingburger. When it comes to the once and (perhaps) future president of the United States, the Newspaper of Record is the In-and-Out of nothingburgers.

Grasswire2

(13,575 posts)
5. I have come to agree, in the last few years, with Trump on this one thing.
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 03:09 PM
Oct 2021

It's the FAILING New York Times.

Cha

(298,049 posts)
6. The NYT is Propaganda
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 03:13 PM
Oct 2021

Central. Pounded the Drums for War on Iraq via Judy Miller and as is written helped tfg(who calls them FAKE NEWS) get elected.

They're an Enemy of the State.

Good to hear the WP is into Reality and not making up shit about "both sides".

peggysue2

(10,852 posts)
7. Openly struggled?
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 03:14 PM
Oct 2021
With how to cover racists.

Yes, how do you get to a bothsiderism argument if you can't give a positive spin on racism?

Reminds me of the Texas argument about providing both sides in all things, as in the Holocaust. What is the opposing side? It didn't happen? As for writing about racists? How about this--they love their dogs.

Sound familiar. It should.

This is nothing more than excusing access journalism despite the damage it has done to the country. It's lazy and irresponsible.

Want to spend your future groveling at the feet of authoritarians? This is the way you do it. Of course, the title of 'journalist' will end, quickly replaced with 'stenographer.'

Remember all those chants of: Enemy of the People.

That was a specific warning, even for those working at the NYTs.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. We also currently have WaPo now, cancelled NYT probably 5 times.
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 03:48 PM
Oct 2021

I confess when things really heat up I've ended up resubscribing because of all the world-class investigative journlism articles I couldn't see. Then dump again for cause after the election or whatever.

I remember reading the NYT's Halloween 2016 "summary" of the Trump-Russia investigation that inferred it found nothing and was wrapping up, when the complete opposite was true. A week before election day. I remember being confused by the oddly very vague content that seemed to contradict its previous reporting but wasn't sophisticated enough to become immediately suspicious.

The WaPo reported the big story that the NYT had "hidden the lede," journalism speak for massive corruption and betrayal intended to deceive the nation and thus help throw the election to tRump and the Republicans.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
13. they are just click bait garbage !
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 04:13 PM
Oct 2021

they just love their damn pay wall's ! journalist wanna be's ! editor in chief need's to be suspended for acting like he know's what he is doing ?

reACTIONary

(5,796 posts)
16. I'm down with WaPo AND NYT...
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 04:36 PM
Oct 2021

... I subscribe to both, and read both every day. Both are excellent, high end journalism.

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
19. The Times did do a massive compilation
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 04:44 PM
Oct 2021

of Jan. 6 videos; they said they analyzed 3000 videos to do the collection. I found it amazing.

Edit to add link:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/14/insider/video-capitol-riot.html

Sympthsical

(9,193 posts)
21. This list of acceptable sources grows smaller
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 04:57 PM
Oct 2021

"The NYT is too biased. You know what I need? The paper owned and controlled by the second richest man in the world. I know he'll tell me the truth!"

Or, you know, laterally read for sources and glean information from many places with many different reporters and views.

But that's, well, work.

Let's just go, "Fake News!" and get that horseshoe into a more aesthetically pleasing circle.

NNadir

(33,586 posts)
22. Mr. Moulitsas is a "journalist" reified. He claims to respect science and to be...
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 05:03 PM
Oct 2021

...an environmentalist. This is laughable.

While I agree with much he says about the New York Times, which often features science reporting almost as bad as his, this is a black kettle criticizing the pot.

A fun illustration of Moulitsas's credibility is how all of his front pagers fell over themselves praising Jim Hansen's work on climate change until Jim Hansen told a truth they didn't like.

They like "science" over a Daily Kos when it supports their biases but there aren't many people over there who have ever opened a science book. I believe their science editor - last I looked - was a stockbroker or something like that.

PatrickforB

(14,604 posts)
23. I take the Times.
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 05:04 PM
Oct 2021

I don't hate the times. It has some good articles, and good opinion pieces. But, of course, I am enough of a policy wonk to read with a critical eye.

BaronChocula

(1,637 posts)
24. It's not just the NYT
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 05:07 PM
Oct 2021

It's everyone who is more deferential to the Old White Establishment than to the truth. The NYT is stricken with the same fear that grips elected gopper officials; The last thing they want to do is pushback against the OWE.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
26. Hmm
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 06:47 PM
Oct 2021

The New York Times was founded in 1851 and has been a household name in the United States for decades. The newspaper has adapted well to changes in the media industry, and between the first quarters of 2014 and 2019, paid subscribers to The New York Times’ digital only news product increased from 799 thousand to almost 2.86 million.
New York Times - weekday circulation 2020 | Statista
www.statista.com/statistics/273503/average-paid-weekday-circulation-of-the-new-york-times/

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
27. Political coverage is awful, national and international coverage is gold
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 07:59 PM
Oct 2021

But in the whole balance of things, I don't reward bad behavior, so no subscription.

If I really want to read a Times article, I just use my library card or archive dot org

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