Have you watched "Four hours at the Capitol"? (HBO Documentary)

[Solly Mack]

I've seen other video chronicles of that day and I watched as events unfolded on the news the day of the insurrection, and I keep coming back to the same thing...

These people are terrorists - forget the domestic part - they're terrorists.

They should have been charged as such.

They are not "patriots". They were not "fighting for America". They are not people who simply disagree with or have an issue with the government. (or any of the lies they tell about that day)

They are terrorists who attacked America and continue to attack America.

Go after them, all the planners and enablers, and all those who persist in the continued attacks on America.

There is no reaching across the aisle with people determined to destroy the country.

People who are determined to use violence to stranglehold the country into submission.

They attacked our country. They attacked our government. They sought to shatter our democracy.

They are still actively engaged in doing so.

I don't care that they have been lied to, that they're impressionable and delusional, that they're ignorant and have been used by others. Or whatever excuse anyone wants to use about them.

I. just. don't. care.

They are a continuing threat and they are dangerous.

We need to cement over the rabbit-hole with them in it.


OK. I'm done...for now.

[Maraya1969]

1. I watched it. It was from a different angle of the lawmakers and other who were

supposed to be there that day.

I really hope they get long sentences. I fear they won't but I really hope they do.

At the very least they should all be put on a "No fly" list for being terrorists.

[Solly Mack]

2. They need to get long sentences.

They shouldn't be given passes to go on vacation or to a ball game - like has happened.

[Nevilledog]

3. I agree with you.

I spent 27 years defending people who were accused of petty shit have to stare down lengthy mandatory prison sentences.


No amount of money would have convinced me to represent a single one of these terrorists.

[Solly Mack]

4. I kept thinking "predicate act" the entire time I was watching tonight.

I don't buy for a second that it was a heat of the moment that snowballed kind of thing that several of those interviewed claimed it to be. Well, when they weren't blaming non-Trump supporters for it. A few bragged about it. Right proud of what they did.

They had pitchforks, guns, spears, baseball bats, a gallows, bear spray, poles, sticks, etc..

You don't come armed to a peaceful protest.

[Nevilledog]

6. Well, I have been known to bring a makeshift gallows to friendly get together.

[Solly Mack]

7. Yes, but then you have a quirky sense of humor.

[Nevilledog]

9. True. And it's easier than schlepping my guillotine around.

[Solly Mack]

14. See, now. I just carry a cross around and ask for any takers.

[uponit7771]

5. K&R, we're looking like Spain circa 1937 ....

[Solly Mack]

12. I've a cousin born and raised in Spain under Franco. She's still alive and has been living in

America since the 70's.

I was never allowed to ask her about growing up under Franco. Always wanted to though.

[Rhiannon12866]

8. This was posted here in V&M last night:

Four Hours at the Capitol
https://democraticunderground.com/1017688935

[Solly Mack]

10. Thanks!

[orleans]

11. didn't see the doc (don't get hbo but i don't think i could stand watching it even if i did get it)

A federal judge in Washington has repeatedly sentenced people who stormed the U.S. Capitol to more prison time than prosecutors sought...

In the past week, U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan has imposed sentences ranging from 14 to 45 days on four people who pleaded guilty to unlawful parading and picketing inside the Capitol building on Jan. 6 — a misdemeanor offense.
~snip~
Chutkan sentenced two cousins who breached the Capitol and took selfies while doing so to 45 days in jail.
Prosecutors had asked Chutkan to sentence each of the defendants — Robert Bauer of Kentucky, and Edward Hemenway of Virginia — to 30 days in prison.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/there-have-be-consequences-judge-ups-sentences-us-capitol-rioters-2021-10-13/

parading & picketing? are you fucking kidding me? how about charging these assholes with actual charges? breaking & entering comes to mind. the building was fucking closed to the public! what the fuck is wrong with the prosecutors???

"A Capitol rioter who said he was 'just there to go to the bathroom' was sentenced to 3 months in jail after video appears to show him pushing a cop
https://www.insider.com/capitol-rioter-said-was-there-for-bathroom-will-go-jail-2021-10

"Judge sentences Jan. 6 rioter to 45 days in jail for misdemeanor to deter others: ‘The country is watching.’
Prosecutors recommended three months of home confinement for Matthew C. Mazzocco. He is the first Capitol attack defendant to receive a jail term when prosecutors had not asked for one."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/10/04/capitol-riot-jail-deter-mazzocco/

then i saw this tweet earlier on du. i think it's just absolutely disgraceful how the "prosecutors" are pussyfooting and the courts are pussyfooting. what's a surefire way these fuckers will pull something like that again? let them know their actions don't have real consequences -- mostly just wrist slaps.

Link to tweet

[Solly Mack]

13. It was hard to watch. You're absolutely right - without real consequences, they will keep at it.

And without real consequences, they'll use that to claim even the courts don't think what they did was wrong. Adding to all the other lies they are telling about that day.

They are trying to rewrite that day and a slap on the wrist only helps them in doing so.

[soldierant]

15. In some ways I don't blame them. But they are in a place whereblame is irrelevant.

They have become human weapons. Regardless of their intentions, or what they thought their intentions were, they are too dangerous to be allowed to be out of confinement. And they may always be that dangerous.

Morality - knowledge of good and evil - shame - guilt - all that is irrelevant.

Even accountability is irrelevant. All that matters is that they are dangerous.

[Solly Mack]

19. I would like to see them charged appropriately and to get jail time that reflects that.

So far they have been given next to nothing.

[soldierant]

30. I also think we need to avoid what is happening pre-trial

in the DC Jail.

https://crooksandliars.com/2021/10/patriot-wing-insurrectionists-dc-jail
Crooks and Liars - Insurrectionists’ Extremism Deepens In ‘Patriot Wing’ Of D.C. Jail

[Solly Mack]

31. I agree. Separate them now.

[canetoad]

16. Yeah I have

And posted a link in the video & multi forum.

Those idiots condemned themselves with their own words. The BBC used a technique used by Errol Morris, for his film about Fred Leuchter. Morris declined to criticise Leuchter, he just let it all play out in Leuchter's own words. Just Fred's words.

That's the technique the filmakers have adopted here. Completely neutral observers. Normal looking people, just so happens that *most of them are white men. As the narrative progresses and the insurgents rationalize their actions we can begin to see just how fanatical, abnormal and unreasonable these people are.

You bought it.

[Solly Mack]

18. OK

What got me was how convinced they were in their own rightness. That nothing they did that day was the least bit unlawful or wrong.

[secondwind]

17. I saw it yesterday. It was riveting...A must watch...

[Solly Mack]

20. I was disgusted all over again. There was footage I hadn't seen yet.

[Frasier Balzov]

23. On thousands of radio stations all over this country

their actions are excused and justified by right wing talk radio hosts.

The FCC really needs to do something about that.

[Solly Mack]

26. They are all trying to rewrite the history of that day.

It's sickening.

[kentuck]

24. What great cause were they fighting for?

What great wrong was committed against them?

What was so important that they would rebel against our country?

When asked, they cannot tell you.

All that they know is that the election was stolen from their Leader, which they love, and that was all they had.

[Solly Mack]

25. A lot of them say they were fighting for America - which is baffling since you don't attack

a democratic process of the American government and then claim you were fighting for America.

The baseless belief that the election was stolen doesn't excuse their thinking going into the insurrection.

You fight such things in the courts - preferably without the kraken and the cracked and with actual evidence.

[mcar]

27. We watched it last night

Also watched the CNN and NYT vids previously. Each one teaches us something more about that horrific day. The interviews with Speaker Pelosi's aide were chilling. She was waiting to be captured, tortured or raped by the terrorists.

[Solly Mack]

28. I keep learning more and more about that day.

When Pelosi's aide was speaking and she choked up a little while expressing her fears, I could feel it - her fear - because she could still feel it.

[mcar]

29. Yes!

It was gripping and infuriating. The interview with Officer Fanone's partner and the body cam audio of him talking to Fanone after they pulled him back in had me in tears.