The Sh*t Just Hit the Fan on January 6. Here's What We Know So Far and What It Means.

[Nevilledog]

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There’s a lot to unpack in the Rolling Stone bombshell report. Here’s a primer on some of the likely legal and political fallout from it.

The Sh*t Just Hit the Fan on January 6. Here’s What We Know So Far and What It Means.
On Sunday night, Rolling Stone dropped a bombshell story. Two witnesses considered key to the investigation of the January 6 Committee had been speaking extensively for weeks to reporter Hunter...
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On Sunday night, Rolling Stone dropped a bombshell story. Two witnesses considered key to the investigation of the January 6 Committee had been speaking extensively for weeks to reporter Hunter Walker about their role in organizing the pro-Trump rallies that took place on January 6. For the first time, these organizers named congressmembers as well as some key White House aides who had been part of the planning.

The names should sound familiar: Along with QAnon-associated Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), “the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).” Among the White House staff named were former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Katrina Pierson, who had worked on Trump’s campaign in 2016 and 2020 and acted as “a key liaison between the organizers of the protest against the election and the White House.”

At the time these meetings were happening, what was being planned wasn’t yet known to the public, but the fact of some kind of planning actually was known. Rep. Greene, for example, seemed quite proud of her involvement, as she demonstrated to her followers in a video right after one of the meetings. She stated, “Just finished with our meeting here at the White House this afternoon. We had a great planning session for our January 6th objection. We aren't going to let this election be stolen by Joe Biden and the Democrats!”

While this is the first time the public is hearing from ordinary citizens on the inside of the White House efforts to stop the election—and there are already calls for the congressmembers to be expelled and prosecuted—the unnamed witnesses and certain congressmembers are already seeking to draw a big and likely crucial distinction: They claim that their organizing was for a peaceful protest to take place at the Ellipse near the White House, and that they were somehow duped when the rally took a turn, quite literally, and headed to Congress where the votes were being certified.

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[Wounded Bear]

1. Keep digging. Sunshine is the best disinfectant...nt

[True Dough]

5. It sure used to be that way

But, increasingly, it seems that the other side doesn't give a damn whether their "leadership" uses dirty or illegal tactics. It's all about regaining power now, by hook or by crook.

I'm genuinely doubting whether there's any "bombshell" report that could make Trumpers stop and say, "By golly, we really do have some bad actors who need to be reprimanded."

It's a truly sorry state of affairs.

[Wounded Bear]

6. It's not the trumpers that matter, really. It's the Indies we need to inform...

Get enough Independents educated on the corruption of the Right and we'll win in '22 and going forward.

[amywalk]

38. As long as we abolish the filibuster and pass voting rights protections.

[lagomorph777]

53. That's irrelevant. We just need to get DOJ off the starting line.

Lock the felons up.

[louis-t]

2. Gee, the conspirators' stories change with the wind.

Let's see, it was "BLM and Antifa stormed the capitol, no wait, FBI did false flag operation, no wait, it was tfg people but it was peaceful tourists only, no wait, we got duped..."

[jmbar2]

3. I guess when you incite violent mobs

You don't always get the mobs that you wanted. The riffraff showed up. Who could have predicted THAT?

[Whiskeytide]

14. Didn't Rumsfeld once say that "You go to an ...

… insurrection with the mob you have, not the mob you want”, or something like that?

[jmbar2]

26. That's the quote I was looking for!

[usaf-vet]

46. I thought he said we know where this is going "somewhat" north, south, east, and west.

Are they trying to out-double talk Rumsfeld? That will take some doing.

But they do have a good start in that they are all liars, to begin with.

[VWolf]

82. Rumsfeld said both

The "north/south/east/west" quote referred to the "locations" of the WMD's.

The "go with what you have" referred to the solders not having adequate body armor.

I found both comments to be equally vile.

[Hoyt]

4. We know they helped plan March on Washington. Question is, did they plan

breach of Capitol? The march was common knowledge by mid-December.

If there is no proof of planning to storm the Capitol by these ignorant GOPers, this ain’t a bombshell.

[Mz Pip]

8. Agree.

Planning a protest isn’t illegal. I read the RS article and there’s not really anything in it that we didn’t already know or suspect.

Planning a violent insurrection is treason. That’s what needs to be proven.

[Captain Zero]

48. TFG. SENT. THEM. DOWN. THE. STREET.

And watched and cheered their break-in, disruption of process, and their murdering of Capitol Defenders.

TFG SET THEM ON FOOT.

[lindysalsagal]

62. "I'll be with you!" We all heard him say it, live. It's on video. HELLO!

If they don't prosecute, I'll write to every damn dem and tell them I'm quitting the party.

[Mz Pip]

69. True

But proving he sent them to violently overthrow the election might be difficult. Proving intent isn’t easy.

Don’t get me wrong. I’d like nothing better than to see Trump and his cronies locked up. Hopefully, the investigation will lead there. We’ll see.

[Hoyt]

73. Exactly. trump will just say he wanted them to march on Capitol building, not break in.

[reACTIONary]

78. Exactly. nt.

[Kaleva]

13. Yes.

[Whiskeytide]

17. I think RS is intentionally conflating the idea of planning the rally and ...

… planning the insurrection, and half the country is falling for it. This is not some breaking news Exposé.

[uponit7771]

96. There doesn't need to be a smoking gun connection between the attack on the capital and

... the rallies.

"... and we'll send them to the capital to attack it ..." isn't going to be in any document ... or well, it might ... these people are really stupid.

There's enough evidence through Trumps speech on J6 and the speeches before him that Trump and some of the planners wanted the rally to commit the crime of going to the capital building and doing something ... cause that's what they said multiple times during said speeches.

Then there was Putin's Whore action, or lack of it, afterwards ...

We don't have to complicate this, use what's in front of us to put these assholes in jail lest we become Spain circa 1938 ... the left at that time pussyfooted around with Franco until he became dictator

[Whiskeytide]

103. But they didn't NEED the assault on Congress ...

… to execute the plan set forth in the Eastman memo. I suspect some of the more deranged members of the Тяцмр syndicate (MTG, Bang Bang, Adolf Hawthorne, Mo Mo Brooks, etc) may have wanted/wished for violence. That seems pretty clear. But there is a difference between wishing for it and planning it.

Aspects of the insurrection were obviously planned by groups like the PBs, 3%ers, and the OKs. They came prepared and equipped to do violence. Connections between them and certain cretins in Congress and the WH may eventually be proven, but such evidence hasn’t been made public yet.

As it stands, every one of the degenerates can claim that they planned the rally, but did not approve of the attack on the capitol. We’re apparently asking the DOJ to ignore that and prosecute them anyway just because we KNOW they’re assholes.

[Texin]

27. They certainly came tactically-prepared for it!

Body armor, loaded weapons, zip ties, etc., (some of the participants at least). You don't go into a fracas like that if you're not planning to use it.

[imaginary girl]

59. Exactly! And

And why would they need a blanket pardon if they weren't doing anything illegal?

[uponit7771]

95. RIGHT !! Too many people are claiming there needs to be a smoking gun connection between the

... attack on the capital and the rallies and there doesn't

A reasonable person can conclude the two were connected or that the 3%rs and Oaf Keepers were going to use the attack on the capital as cover

[CaptainTruth]

30. Agreed. Planning a rally is not illegal. Planning sedition is.

And from what I've seen in the social media sewerverse it looks like not many people without legal expertise understand exactly what sedition is.

-snip-

Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it. The following provides an overview of this particular crime against the government, with historical references.

Seditious Conspiracy and Federal Law: The Basics

The federal law against seditious conspiracy can be found in Title 18 of the U.S. Code (which includes treason, rebellion, and similar offenses), specifically 18 U.S.C. § 2384. According to the statutory definition of sedition, it is a crime for two or more people within the jurisdiction of the United States:

To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against them;

To oppose by force the authority of the United States government; to prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States; or

To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

Free Speech, Sedition, and Treason

In order to get a conviction for seditious conspiracy, the government must prove that the defendant in fact conspired to use force. Simply advocating for the use of force is not the same thing and in most cases is protected as free speech under the First Amendment. For example, two or more people who give public speeches suggesting the need for a total revolution "by any means necessary" have not necessarily conspired to overthrow the government. Rather, they're just sharing their opinions, however unsavory. But actively planning such an action (distributing guns, working out the logistics of an attack, actively opposing lawful authority, etc.) could be considered a seditious conspiracy.

-snip-

[link:https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/sedition.html|]

[monkeyman1]

40. how come people forget the dead & wounded in this insurrection ?

[CaptainTruth]

52. I certainly have not forgotten them, & neither have prosecutors.

Last I checked 684 people who participated in the 1/6 insurrection have been charged & are being prosecuted, including those who assaulted & injured others.

If anyone has forgotten that I would say it's not a case of forgetting, it's a case of them allowing themselves to be brainwashed by right wing propaganda.

[monkeyman1]

55. very true ! you don't hear of the tabloid media bringing up at all ! don't get ratings ?

[uponit7771]

91. "Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection ..."... 2383

... looks like it applies more to J6 attack,

There was ... NO DOUBT ... some assists from congress persons and Eastman document is part of "sets on foot" but needs to be tied to the attack.

[gab13by13]

54. What would you call the document

written by Trump lawyer John Eastman? I call it a blueprint for a coup.

[Hoyt]

74. It says absolutely nothing about breaking into the Capitol. The so-called "Blue Print"

"The two-page Eastman Memo — the veracity of which has not been independently verified by MSNBC or NBC News — fleshed out a ridiculous six-step scenario in which then-Vice President Mike Pence, rather than honor the results of the election, would exploit ambiguities in the Electoral Count Act and set aside the Electoral College votes of seven states. That would put Trump in the lead, but it would also leave both candidates short of a majority."

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-lawyer-outlined-plan-overturn-election-newly-disclosed-memo-n1279743

The above, did not happen. Pence accepted the Electoral College votes.

[uponit7771]

90. Doesn't have to be, its the planning of the coup that's illegal in and of itself and Eastmans doc ..

... clearly indicates there were plans of ... POST ... coup shit.

I haven't read in the document about the attack but there's no doubt that Oaf Keepers etc can make that connection or they'll find some docs that do just that.

We have to have the minerals to prosecute based on what's in front of us.

The Eastman document is damning and no wonder he wants to act like he doesn't know what it is

[stopdiggin]

83. Yep. This makes a great headline

(and perhaps even interesting reading) - but it hasn't really moved the chains down the field. Still waiting for someone to draw a direct line between the Bannon, or Meadows, or Donnie Jr - and the Proud Boys/Oath Keepers strategy sessions.

[uponit7771]

89. They didn't have to plan the breach just facilitation of it via the marches.

[Champp]

7. Republican traitors must be punished for their violent attack on America

and American democracy.

Republicans betrayed the country. And they are still lying about it.

[Hortensis]

9. I just really hope we are obtaining real evidence of criminal conspiracy

against the United States and active plans to carry it out.

Please!

[PSPS]

10. Big deal. They're still free and always will be. Nothing will come of any of this. They'll all skate

Sorry, but it's true. Feel free to wake me when there starts being actual consequences and not just more fodder for the click bait machine.

[Mr. Ected]

11. So I guess it boils down to "who induced the insurrectionists to storm Congress?"

Was it a congressperson? The President? Or the rabble-rousers themselves? If this was, in fact, a legal protest at its onset, at what point did it take a turn towards an actionable offense?

Unless prosecutors discover the missing link, we'll be left with prosecuting the actors while the quiet instigators get away scot free, with future diabolical schemes already locked and loaded.

[Walleye]

19. All of the elected officials who lied about the election being stolen. They incited the riot

It wasn’t theoretical, the violence actually happened

[Mr. Ected]

21. There's a fine line between organizing a protest and inciting a riot

If only it was as simple as we want it to be.

[Walleye]

36. Maybe some civil lawsuits can hold them responsible.

If we can’t prosecute and attempt to overthrow our government, I don’t know what

[Mr. Ected]

49. If only the people had the say in these things and not the monied interests

But, hey, we can whitewash assassinations, pre-emptive wars and insurrections and still posture as if we were the world's greatest democracy, so what the hell does the truth matter anyway?

[Walleye]

61. That's pretty depressing

[Mr. Ected]

64. Sorry, I'm normally more optimistic

But after spending 2 years waiting for the Mueller investigation to expose the criminals in the Trump administration, only to see the entire exercise shut down and shut off by the media, I have little to no hope that things will ever change.

We have a nation of laws for the common man and a nation of lawlessness for the rich and powerful.

Democracy is not our enemy. Allowing capitalism to malign democracy IS.

[Walleye]

65. Part of the problem is one of our major political parties no longer believes in democracy

[Mr. Ected]

67. And the media is owned by people that belong to that party

Ergo, the Fourth Estate has gone to the dark side.

[Walleye]

68. I think they would rather perpetuate their jobs than democracy

They seem to have lost the plot, without democracy there would be no jobs for them

[Mr. Ected]

70. I completely agree

The only thing I'm not sure of is whether the tens of millions of Americans who have been duped into thinking that it is Democrats that are their mortal enemy will ever realize that the wool has been pulled over their eyes. I wonder if any of them will later admit that their distorted view of reality caused the demise of the greatest country ever created.

[Walleye]

71. I'm afraid stubbornness is their a main characteristic, especially when they're wrong

Admitting mistakes is hard for most people. For these right-wingers it’s just fucking impossible.

[SheltieLover]

12. Lock. Them. Up.

[dchill]

16. I'd settle for all these creeps in orange for years.

Anything less would be bad for America.

[SheltieLover]

22. Anything less will destroy democracy

[dchill]

23. It's already in the ER. Waiting for a bed.

[SheltieLover]

28. Yup because the slob is free & 1/6 insurrectionists are coddled by judges

[monkeyman1]

43. " GITMO "-plenty of room " ?

[Thomas Hurt]

15. Need to see these sources telling their stories on in public hearings before the J6 committee.

[spanone]

18. They will lie about their effing lies

[Baitball Blogger]

20. Anyone who was in the conversational loop would be hard pressed to claim they were duped.

These people like to talk tough. Eventually the conversation would have turned to marching on the Capitol to stop the vote. I think they even used the words, "Stop the vote."

So, no one can claim they were duped. Especially if they were providing tours to show the Capitol's underground tunnels, and maps to offices for the Congress people.

[Budi]

24. Expel them from Congress, now.

Link to tweet

[monkeyman1]

45. as in "NOW "! these traitor's have no business in our congress !!

[dchill]

25. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Neither is plain stupidity.

[FakeNoose]

29. Lauren "Bang-Bang" Boebert was only just sworn into office on January 3rd

How is it even possible that these people entrusted her with major responsibilities when she was a completely green, freshly-elected Representative? She wasn't sworn in until 2 days before this stuff all happened.

How did she know her way around the Capitol building?
How many Repukes (other than her own constituents) even knew her name?

[sarcasmo]

31. For now they are above the law.

[twodogsbarking]

32. The dumb ones can't shut up.

Wait and see.

[joetheman]

33. I don't want to be too excited but for the first time in a long while I fee some relief.

I just hope the punishment fits the crimes in ALL cases. If so, that would mean jail time for a lot of people including TFG!

[monkeyman1]

34. congress critter's might just be running for the exit's or face D.O.J. Rath real soon !

INSURRECTION charge's carry a very big stick !! not including public humiliation ?

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. Be careful- these sources are trying to paint themselves in a positive light before testifying

They are scheduled to speak to congress soon.

If you read the RS article carefully, although they report on numerous Republicans present at the planning meetings, they are careful not to link anyone to calls for violence, or even entering the Capitol. They only talk about plans to protest “the steal” and to encourage Pence and congressional Republicans to block/delay the counting of the electoral votes.

It’s a subtle crafting of an alternate narrative to fit the defence of these insiders.

Until Bannon, Ali Alexander, Alex Jones and their ilk are questioned, the full story will be continue to be obscured.

Then they can subpoena Gosar, Brooks, Boebert and Greene.

[stopdiggin]

84. Yes. Nobody here is even hinting at criminal conduct

for all the 'naming of names.'

[Carlitos Brigante]

37. Aaaaaand the country will collectively yawn and give zero fucks about this. Unfortunately. nt

[Cosmocat]

41. Y E P

nm

[uponit7771]

92. Polling on this is ... MOST... people do care, it was a shock event for a lot of us

[WinstonSmith4740]

39. I wonder...

Think Madison Cawthorne will be as successful against a real person that can actually punch back? It's a skill that might come in handy in prison.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=madison+cawthorn+beating+up+tree&docid=607991189733728186&mid=413779589503DAAC605B413779589503DAAC605B&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

[Stuart G]

42. Thank You for posting this..Yes, More is coming...but will the total truth come out?....If,

someone at the top of the totem pole, or near the very top....helped to plan Jan 6 riot/insurrection, will that someone
at or near the top be charged?..................

,,,My guess is that the FBI will charge those that proof is solid that they did illegal acts...If the proof is ...not solid..
and ...unlikely to stand up in a court of law, the FBI will NOT charge these traitors ...My guess is that the FBI...is still
gathering facts and information as this all comes out...But there are more questions...............

....WHY HASN'T THESE CHARGES BEEN MADE ALREADY?...IS THIS NEW INFORMATION?...........
.......WHY NOW IN OCTOBER.? TEN MONTHS AFTER THIS EVENT?
.......WHO HAS BEEN HIDING THIS INFORMATION AND WHY?.
........DID THE PLANNING AND ACTUAL ORDERS COME FROM TRUMP HIMSELF?
........IF DONALD TRUMP WAS PART OF THE PLANNING OF THIS, WHY HASN'T HE BEEN CHARGED??.............
........WILL TRUMP BE CHARGED IF HE ACTUALLY PLANNED THIS?.............

....Someone once said..."The truth will out.."...and guess what? The truth is coming out....More thoughts.. (I must
add these..)...If it was the fool who was sure that he was going to get away with it, then let him be charged, tried,
and convicted..AND....Who will make the decision to charge the head crook?....And will that happen at all? ................

[usaf-vet]

44. Ya sure!! And they were going to send Pence out to the Ellipse to certify the election and the

gallows was supposed to be the stage for him to speak from.

One lie begets twenty others to cover up the initial lie.

Why all the tactical gear on the peaceful protestors?

[ancianita]

47. Question: why do you post the substack post over the original Rolling Stone story?

It seems to me that you'd want to get the journalism closest to the informants as possible. Just sayin'.

[aggiesal]

50. Link to Rolling Stone story ...

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/

[Vinca]

51. Pay wall.

[monkeyman1]

56. already downloaded the whole damn thing !

[Budi]

60. Try using your Incognito tab to access paywall sites.

Paste the link into the Search bar on the Incognito or private site. Or whatever your phone/laptop makes availible.

I've gained access to some paywall sites this way.
Most work, but a couple not.
Worth a try as a go around anyway.

Just offering an fyi.

[aggiesal]

72. That's weird. ...

I don't have an account with Rolling Stone and I didn't get a paywall.

Try again.
This time when it's loading, select the stop loading button.
This usually works for me, when confronted with a paywall.

Try multiple times if need be.

Another way, is to open in "INCOGNITO" mode.
Right click and select Open in new window using Incognito, or something similar.

[Vinca]

75. Thanks. I'll try again.

Editing to add: I have Microsoft Edge and never knew how to do this before. Neat thing to know. It worked!

[Joinfortmill]

57. Call it what you want, it's treason.

[monkeyman1]

63. AND NOTHING BUT ! NEED A GOOD OL'FASH'N NUREMBURG TRAIL'S !

throw in a few crimes against humanity & good ol' conspiracy , just might get a few of these wanna be dickless-tater's ? hope congress can walk & chew bubble gum at the same time , don't see much happening in the way of legislation & the way people want these congress critter's hide nailed to the wall ! time will tell ! went thru this shit with Nixon , which is nothing compared to this shit !

[UCmeNdc]

58. K&R

[Hamlette]

66. there is a huge piece missing in terms of evidence necessary for a court

they are saying they were planning a peaceful protest and potential lobbying of Congresscritters. The Congresscritters say they were planning the vote to disqualify the 7 or so states. Both perfectly legal. You need someone to say, or some evidence to show they planned to overthrow the election.

I believe many of them were planning just that but I've not seen the type of legally admissible evidence to prove it.

[Celerity]

76. I unfortunately think you are right so far

[reACTIONary]

79. Yep, nt

[uponit7771]

93. There just needs to be a connection between the attack on congress and the rallies, that's it ...

... if one of the Oaf Keepers says a government official ... KNEW ... they were going to go into the capital to cause some mahem then the connection is made

[BeckyDem]

77. America's thugs, the GOP.

K&R

[Hotler]

80. We also need to know who the money people are, Wall St., Vegas, Putin...? nt

[BigmanPigman]

81. Time to get an independent, special prosecutor.

Non partisan, paid for and fairly quick.

[oasis]

85. Those traitors are going down. Bigtime.

Drip, drip, drip.

[Aussie105]

86. It takes a long time to unwind a criminal organization.

Be it the Mafia, or the Night Walkers and ShapeShifters in the Republican world.

But it will happen, the wheels of Justice grind slowly but exceedingly fine.

It MUST happen. The alternative is too horrible to think about.

[ecstatic]

88. "They claim that their organizing was for a peaceful protest"

🙄 Right. And I have a bridge for sale.

I wonder who told the protesters which windows could be breached?

[uponit7771]

94. +1, there's another connection between the rally and the attack that could be made. A reasonable

... person can conclude that the rally and the attack were connected if this kind of evidence is presented.

People are claiming there has to be a smoking gun connection between the rallies and the attack and there doesn't

[uponit7771]

99. +1, ... or ... he did little to stop it when he had the power to do so. He is trying to claim he did

... not know anything for 4 hours or so until he came out with a video praising the terrorist.

[Farmer-Rick]

98. They were Levying War against the United States NOT giving aid and comfort

People think Levying War means declaring war by a foreign group. But it is Not. This was Treason.

"The elements of treason are the same under state and federal law:

-the defendant owes allegiance to the government,
-and the defendant intentionally betrays that allegiance by
either:
-levying war against the government, or
-giving aid or comfort to the government's enemies."

"Levying war isn't limited to formally declaring war. It includes any forcible opposition to the execution of a public law Such "forcible opposition" ordinarily requires actual use of force by multiple people with the common purpose of preventing some law from being enforced. Weapons aren't always required; sheer numbers can be enough.

Merely conspiring to overthrow the government isn't levying war—there must be an actual assemblage of people who are ready and intend to use force. So, no person acting alone can be guilty of levying war."

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/treason.htm

So, there is no aid and comfort to the enemies of the US. Aid and comfort is a throw away legal standard here. It does Not apply. These rioters AND organizers who met before the attack, are the enemies of the United States. They were trying to stop Pence from counting the electoral votes as required by law and the Constitution. Trump and Pence admitted it. This is so clearly treason it amazes me that people who call themselves patriotic can align themselves with such traitors.

[uponit7771]

101. +1, "..Trump and Pence admitted it..." and "set on foot" part of the US code 2383 is the

... the part these guys could be prosecuted because of the overt planning of the after affect of the attack on the capital.

No wonder Eastman is trying to act like he didn't know what was going on

[LAS14]

102. I saw this reported on MSNBC and, at the time, wondered what is newsworthy...

... about GOP congress members helping to plan for a GOP rally in Washington. Did I miss something?

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