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Seth Abramson reported on the Willard war room meeting 8 months ago! Where was MSM? (Original Post) triron Oct 2021 OP
I mentioned this on DU and was told there wasn't any sources to back it up MagickMuffin Oct 2021 #1
I have also followed Seth for a few years now Bev54 Oct 2021 #7
That bothered me greatly. Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #30
Well said. triron Oct 2021 #31
Rt TY! Cha Oct 2021 #2
Some of Abrams' photos. Anyone heard about Joe Oltmann? He was there, named it "command center." ancianita Oct 2021 #3
If there was free booze.... SergeStorms Oct 2021 #4
Seems there are plenty of google hits for him MagickMuffin Oct 2021 #8
excellent question. The "MSM" is not reporting reaallly important stories. Do they really know the Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #5
Exactly. I've pointed out your excellent observation that MSM hasn't thought their strategy through, ancianita Oct 2021 #6
It's what autocracies do. They are still promoting him by coverage daily. More than Biden. $$ Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #10
need a big fly - swatter! monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #15
If they had principles or moral values, wnylib Oct 2021 #23
I have Rebl2 Oct 2021 #19
or worse. Authoritarians target actual journalists who report the truth. Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #25
Exactly Rebl2 Oct 2021 #26
As always the moniss Oct 2021 #9
They are stuck at the middle school stage of wnylib Oct 2021 #24
That good? triron Oct 2021 #27
That is moniss Oct 2021 #34
It seems to me, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #11
did they do anything illegal? maxsolomon Oct 2021 #13
I want to know specifically WHAT was discussed. Was any violent/criminal action discussed? DickKessler Oct 2021 #21
well, the info on the coup has been scattered NewJeffCT Oct 2021 #22
Abramson only reported the date, place and names of some attendees Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #12
Willardgate PurgedVoter Oct 2021 #14
catch 'y -TFG - WILLARDGATE ! Nixon -Watergate ! has a ring to it ! monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #16
I don't understand... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #17
Good question...and add why dem leaders, pundits, and DOJ haven't mentioned much. nt wiggs Oct 2021 #18
You are the man, Seth! dchill Oct 2021 #20
yep Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #33
I still ask: Where is MSM? Where is Garland? Where are our Senators? triron Oct 2021 #28
Are they even reporting it now? lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #29
Seems no one but Nicole Wallace on 'Deadline WH' triron Oct 2021 #32

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
1. I mentioned this on DU and was told there wasn't any sources to back it up
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 06:14 PM
Oct 2021


I thought well, what if he IS the source. Watched what was happening in real time.


Bev54

(10,051 posts)
7. I have also followed Seth for a few years now
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:25 PM
Oct 2021

He has dug up a lot of very good information and he is only now getting the recognition of his work.

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
30. That bothered me greatly.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 10:51 AM
Oct 2021

Somehow the source became the issue, not the fact theses traitors were organized and active.

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
4. If there was free booze....
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:12 PM
Oct 2021

you can bet Ghouliani was there. He does his best thinking when he's plastered. Or at least he thinks he does.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
5. excellent question. The "MSM" is not reporting reaallly important stories. Do they really know the
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:16 PM
Oct 2021

ramifications of this? We lose democracy and they will be eliminated if 45 gets re-whatever. "MSM" will cease to be.

ancianita

(36,048 posts)
6. Exactly. I've pointed out your excellent observation that MSM hasn't thought their strategy through,
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:25 PM
Oct 2021

that authoritarian minority ruled governments get rid of pesky journalists and media that hadn't been loyal all along.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
10. It's what autocracies do. They are still promoting him by coverage daily. More than Biden. $$
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021

Just profits. Fuck the truth. Sorry, but it's just gross. Aside from a few shows, it's woefully lacking in actual reporting. I find "Democracy Now" the best radio news source presently. Still love Rachel, and the MSNBC lineup on cable.

wnylib

(21,441 posts)
23. If they had principles or moral values,
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 08:17 PM
Oct 2021

they would do a better job of reporting now. Since they don't have principles, they would easily adjust to a dictatorial regime and gleefully report only what was approved.

Rebl2

(13,498 posts)
19. I have
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 08:05 PM
Oct 2021

thought that too, so guess they are okay with government run news media and not being allowed to report on what they want.

moniss

(4,231 posts)
9. As always the
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021

MSM will be way behind the curve. It still boggles me that with huge stories going on in South America etc. that we see little to no coverage and certainly nothing in-depth or sustained for a period.

wnylib

(21,441 posts)
24. They are stuck at the middle school stage of
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 08:25 PM
Oct 2021

emotional, psychological, and intellectual development, reporting on the latest gossip stories. There aren't enough neurons between them to produce an in depth thought.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
11. It seems to me,
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:39 PM
Oct 2021

that the MSM isn't the one dropping the ball. Everything we are learning about the coup has come from reporters.

MY QUESTION ONCE AGAIN, where is our DOJ? We don't have a clue if it is even investigating an attack on our democracy.

8 months ago yet no word of any grand jury hearings.

Malcolmb Nance was just on Joy and he said the same thing that I just said, "I hope that DOJ is investigating this."

DickKessler

(364 posts)
21. I want to know specifically WHAT was discussed. Was any violent/criminal action discussed?
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 08:08 PM
Oct 2021

If investigators can't find that or other clear documentary evidence, then it'd be hard to prove any criminal conspiracy.

They would need to be able to demonstrate not just clear and convincing links from the Capitol attackers to Trump, his staffers, and Republican Congressmembers, but also that Trump, his staffers, and the Republican Congressmembers knew that they intended violent and criminal activity within the Capitol and either failed to prevent it, or worse, actively encouraged it.

I think this would be hard to prove, but I'm not a a lawyer or anything like that so eh...

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
22. well, the info on the coup has been scattered
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 08:15 PM
Oct 2021

over the months and from different sources. Abramson does a good job putting it all together in an organized fashion.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
12. Abramson only reported the date, place and names of some attendees
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:45 PM
Oct 2021

He didn’t have any sourced info on the details of the meetings.

PurgedVoter

(2,217 posts)
14. Willardgate
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 07:48 PM
Oct 2021

Gotta give it the name if you want traction. This make is real to those folk that can only real headlines.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
17. I don't understand...
Mon Oct 25, 2021, 08:04 PM
Oct 2021

.... Abramson claims to be engaged in "curated journalism". This means his self described modus operandi is to cull through other reporters' stories and to "connect the dots" based on them. So I would expect that for the last eight months there has been a lot of news reports concerning the Willard war room that he based his own reporting on.

Did he do original reporting in this case? Or was he doing his typical cut-n-paste curating?

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
33. yep
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:43 PM
Oct 2021

When Rep. Liz Cheney uttered the words citing "war room, Willard Hotel" in her statement on the floor of Congress.... these words immediately came to my mind:

"Seth Abramson."

Those following him have known about the meetings for months.

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