At WHAT point does leaving a VERY crazy congress out of negative Obama neratives become bashing?

[uponit7771]

Ask yourself would Obama be making the SAME decisions today if he had a 70% PROGRESSIVE congress for both of his terms like FDR did? COULD Obama be making the SAME decisions today if Obama entered into office with an 83% congress?

Please note: This is a trick question....you HAVE to know how our government works to answer it correctly.

Obama is far from perfect but leaving the EFFECTS of congress out of negative narratives is far from a ......."thorough" assessment too.


Thank you in advance for your input

[Avalux]

1. Consider that Congres is essentially 4 different parties right now, makes it even tougher for Obama.

We've got Democrats, then 3 different factions of Republicans which all hate each other as much as they hate Dems. It's no wonder nothing gets done. To answer your question - yes.

[roguevalley]

9. the first two years was doable. now, not so much. he deserves some for the first

[just1voice]

2. You mean the crazy congress that Obama constantly says he wants to work with?

Ask yourself what an absurd paradigm it is to believe psychopaths/republicans are legitimate "opponents".

[uponit7771]

3. As opposed to kicking them in the head daily? Come on, these positions are shallow relative to point

...the questions is posed though.

Would Obama be making the SAME decisions if the congress was 70% avg PROGRESSIVES like FDR had?

TIA

[polmaven]

4. And exactly what choice does he have?

[uponit7771]

6. Some want a dictator, that's it...they want a dictator but don't want to work for it

[FreakinDJ]

5. The same "Bipartisan" congress

[HopeHoops]

7. If the filibuster required ACTUAL FILIBUSTERING rather than a mere threat - then yes.

Actually, he'd probably have turned the country around by now. Bernie Sanders is the last Senator in forever to even try to hold the floor and he's an independent. If the Democrats would stick to their guns and make the fuckers actually stand up and talk (a record Strom Thurmond still holds), perhaps we could get something done. All the GOP cares about is blocking anything Obama wants to do and McConnell said so in public. Anything to turn the White House back into the "white" house. Assholes.

[uponit7771]

8. YEAP, there's never been a time in HISTORY of this country other than the Civil War were

...a sitting congress person said they'd make it a PRIORITY to work against a sitting president in a time of crisis.

Conservatives don't think the country is in crisis though, they all act like 2008 never happened and Bush never existed.

[HopeHoops]

10. Well, I can see the notion that the shrub never existed. Cheney ran the show.

And Cheney's just a Nixon hold-over. Part of the problem is that people don't seem to understand that we're in a crisis. You can cure ignorance, but you can't fix stupid. Sadly, most of the "ignorant" are more concerned with so called "reality shows" than they are with ACTUAL reality.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. At what point does preaching compromise with VERY crazy become principle bashing?

Now that election time is here, the President has softened his rhetoric of post partisan friendship with the clearly insane opposition Party. The more he speaks of them and their crazy with honesty, the more others include the crazy in their assessment of the situation. People got sick of hearing all that ideological post partisan crap in the face of major insanity.
He wanted to use that sort of language. It has a price. Many got sick of hearing him say sweet things to the GOP. I'll include the Congress more when HE does so.

[uponit7771]

13. When something needs to get done and the health of the country is at stake?

[polmaven]

14. +1

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. "Progressives" don't have to ever contemplate that their ideology may not be as popular as they've

repeatedly told us. When you can blame Obama for everything, you never really have to do that whole introspection thingie, and you don't really have to accept that perhaps you need to reassess whether rank & file Democrats, agree with the views of the "activist" left. I know it's lazy, but professional bloggers & "journalists" get to hold this president to account for promises he never even made, and make a living to boot. Best of all worlds.

The Democratic Party chose a center left Democrat in 2008, when it had ample opportunity to choose Edwards, Kooch, or Mike Gravel who are (supposedly) to Obama's left. But we didn't, and there's good reason for that. Most of us understand that national elections are won & lost in the middle, not on the fringes, which is why we'll soon see Mitt Romney tacking back to the middle.

I know it's frustrating uponit7771, but please bear in mind that this is the internet, where anything goes. I'd say Obama supporters are probably outnumbered on this board by 3 to 1 (maybe more), but remember it's just the web, and that not everyone on the internet is honest about his/her true identity. Meanwhile, in the real world, things are quite different. To feel better, take a look at this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11021117

I agree with you, and why hasn't the PL figured out that finding & electing more progressive members to Congress is the answer? Instead their energy is spent blaming the White House for everything from crotch rot to foot fungus. Funny thing is, I feel I'm still a progressive myself, but obviously not by DU standards.