Natural immunity is the new catch phrase for anti vaxxers

[ripcord]

They are totally outraged that natural immunity isn't being considered for an exemption to the mandate and are preemptively declaring it unconstitutional. I am more and more convinced the only reason anti-vaxxers exist is so flat-earthers don't feel so bad

[Walleye]

1. I'm reading about reinfections.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

2. Just to be clear, that means 'the immunity you get from having caught COVID-19'

and to be clear on another thing, the evidence that immunity from vaccines (but no previous infection) is DECISIVELY better ... is fairly thin if you delve into the existing studies.

Of course I still think it's stupid not to get the vaccine if you've had COVID, but this is their general argument.

The place it falls down is mostly WRT the degree of certainty, i.e. 'how sick exactly do you have to get' ... in order to get vaccine-like immunity? Some people test positive for COVID ... and get 0 lasting antibodies according to one study I've seen. Vaccines, however, you basically know with more certainty because the dosage is measured and it's effects studied.

[Johnny2X2X]

3. And previous infection doesn't guarantee any immunity at all

A lot of people don't produce antibodies and fight off the infection with inflammation.

One thing all the studies agree on is that the vaccine can only help immunity.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

4. I edited my post as you were writing ;) nt

[fescuerescue]

17. Actually NOTHING guarantees immunity

In fact immunity may not be possible with this.

Just increased resistance.

[Diamond_Dog]

5. A guy came over here to buy my son's car last month

He wasn’t wearing a mask because he “figured” he had “natural immunity” because he “thought” he had Covid last summer but was asymptomatic. Of course he felt he didn’t need a vaccine, either. He thought he “probably”had natural immunity!

That’s the problem, you don’t know for sure if you haven’t been tested.. These goofballs just wildly speculate about what they did or didn’t have. I hear this a lot. And of course they fuss about wearing masks, like it’s such a huge hardship.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

8. Right, yes ... at a bear minimum, if we WERE to allow exemption on this basis

You should absolutely have to prove you have antibody levels similar to a vaccinated person.

The idea that one covid positive test result sometime in the past is 'enough' is ludicrous, let alone 'we just take your word for it' lol.

[Aristus]

9. Sometimes it's cute when stupid people think they know science.

Sometimes.

Most of the time, it's a nightmare...

[Diamond_Dog]

15. I know, right?

Plus, it can be dangerous!

[Iggo]

6. The Rhythm Method is probably next.

[winstars]

10. The old joke: What do you call people who use the Rhythm Method? PARENTS!!!

[essaynnc]

7. I just went through this with a friend.....

She caught Covid a few months ago. At first, she and her doctor were monitoring the antibodies in her system to figure out when would be the appropriate time for a vaccine. I met her last week, and the topic came out, and she accused me of only reading the CDC, and "she'd done her research", that the Israelis had put out a paper saying that they proved that natural antibodies were just as good, if not better. Has anyone seen research like this?????

I guess that I have decided to listen to the CDC, and believe that a government agency who's goal is to protect me and the health of Americans, has looked at the research and is making recommendations based on my best interest.

[Johnny2X2X]

12. There are competing research papers right now

But that's totally normal with any scientific issue. As more data comes in, science might change their perspective. But having Covid and then getting vaccinated is widely believed to be the best for of protection right now.

[Johonny]

11. Mark Cuban said it best when he asked, what's the plan for a natural immunity person to get a

booster? To catch it intentionally again? The reason natural immunity isn't considered is because there's no program in placed to prove it, manage it, and maintain it. How would one even do that?

[Johnny2X2X]

13. Natural immunity from having gotten something that was probably not Covid...

You know people, I know people, we all know people who have said, "man, I remember I had a terrible cold in January of 2020, had to have been Covid." Unless you've tested positive for Covid, you probably didn't have Covid.

[Rocknation]

14. Then "bubonic plauge" must become the new catch phrase for the rest of us.

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The lack of diligence about mass testing and quarantining is what has given Covid a gift-wrapped invitation to mutate. And if it is allowed to continue to mutate, it can get to the point where it CAN overcome even natural immunity!!!


Rocknation

[rurallib]

16. why in the fuck are these cowards so afraid of a little stick with a small needle?

that could save their lives and the lives of loved ones.

Get the fucking shot you cowards.

My little grandson will put them all to shame as he heads right to the head of the line to get his shot when it is finally approved.

[genxlib]

18. The major issue here

If prior infection were accepted as an alternative to vaccine, then idiots would be out there trying to get infected.

It makes no sense to build that kind of adverse incentive into the system.

[quaker bill]

19. every immune response is natural.

Whether it is in response to a vaccine or an infection, the response is natural.

The fascinating thing is that the response is your body making an antibody that it already has the instructions for. If we did not have the DNA in our library of chromosomes to make this protein, we would be in huge trouble.

The question is how strong the immune response is and how durable. Immunity through actual infection is at a decided disadvantage because you are really sick when you develop the response, and you generally only get one shot at it. A vaccine has the advantage of developing your response when you are intact and healthy, and you get a second or third challenge to improve your fitness.

Immunity through infection is just like running a long race with no preparation or training. Some indeed will finish well, others will not finish well, and others will not finish at all. Whereas with a bit of training and practice, many more will finish well, and nearly everyone will finish.

[albacore]

20. "Natural immunity" is bullshit....

"If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination.
Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination