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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,985 posts)
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:19 PM Oct 2021

Detectives Find Loose, Boxed Ammo In Fanny Pack On 'Rust' Set

Detectives found loose and boxed ammunition, some of it in a fanny pack, at the New Mexico movie set of “Rust” after the fatal shooting of the Western’s cinematographer, according to a police search warrant inventory.

Three black revolvers and nine spent shell casings also were collected, according to the list filed with the Santa Fe Magistrates Court and released Monday.

The inventory adds no new specifics about the prop-gun shooting death of Halyna Hutchins by actor Alec Baldwin during a rehearsal Thursday with what Baldwin told authorities he thought was an unloaded pistol. But the scattered ammunition suggests a disorganized system for maintaining a dangerous prop.

Typically, ammunition would be kept in a single labeled box, veteran professional armorer Mike Tristano told The New York Times. “The fact that there is loose ammunition and casings raises questions about the organization of the armory department,” he said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/detectives-loose-boxed-ammo-fanny-111526567.html

Assistant director on 'Rust' set told police he didn't check all the rounds in the prop gun before handing it to Alec Baldwin

The assistant director on the New Mexico set of Alec Baldwin's "Rust" movie told police that he did not check all the rounds in the barrel of the gun used in last week's deadly shooting to make sure they were all dummy bullets, according to a newly filed court document.

Assistant director David Halls told police that when the film's armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed "showed him" the firearm that Baldwin used "before continuing rehearsal, he could only remember seeing three rounds," according to a new affidavit obtained by Insider that was filed Wednesday in Santa Fe County Magistrate Court.

Halls "advised he should have checked all of them, but didn't and couldn't recall" if Gutierrez-Reed "spun the drum" of the gun, said the affidavit that was included in search warrant documents for the movie set.

When authorities with the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office asked Halls about the safety protocol on the set in regards to firearms, Halls said, "I check the barrel for obstructions, most of the time there's no live fire," according to the affidavit.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/assistant-director-rust-set-told-162608195.html

Rank fucking amateurs.

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Detectives Find Loose, Boxed Ammo In Fanny Pack On 'Rust' Set (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP
Good God, was this a murder? greenjar_01 Oct 2021 #1
I thought as an armor they were trained specialist? Throck Oct 2021 #2
Yes, they are. maxsolomon Oct 2021 #18
I have never held a firearm. Cracklin Charlie Oct 2021 #3
Direct visual checks of empty cylinder chambers is basic. SYFROYH Oct 2021 #4
Dummy rounds were supposed to be in it, no gunpowder in them-- Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #14
There is a lot of conflicting info in this casea SYFROYH Oct 2021 #17
The armorer was just on her second job as armorer. She... brush Oct 2021 #5
Yup shanti Oct 2021 #8
And Baldwin is the Producer AwakeAtLast Oct 2021 #13
He Was One Of Several Producers ProfessorGAC Oct 2021 #15
It escapes me why there was any real, live ammunition on the set at all. Thomas Hurt Oct 2021 #6
Rumor Is That Some Were Shooting Target Practice During Breaks SoCalDavidS Oct 2021 #10
This is confusing Halls checked the gun and saw three doc03 Oct 2021 #7
The Fact It Was A Real Gun Is Less Significant SoCalDavidS Oct 2021 #11
Crime scene mahina Oct 2021 #9
The armorer should be charged AwakeAtLast Oct 2021 #12
Wonder what armorer says about loading gun. Sneederbunk Oct 2021 #16

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
14. Dummy rounds were supposed to be in it, no gunpowder in them--
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 06:18 PM
Oct 2021

blanks have gunpowder and would make it "hot". So the expectation would be that the old timey gun would look full of bullets but would be full of dummy rounds that wouldn't hurt anyone--thus a cold gun? This is my understanding anyway. Edit to add: it's confusing, because I had read "cold gun" means nothing at all in it, but does it mean nothing with gunpowder in it? Who knows.

SYFROYH

(34,170 posts)
17. There is a lot of conflicting info in this casea
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 06:58 PM
Oct 2021

And the terms are being used differently.

The final complete report will be interesting.

I didn’t think real guns were allowed on sets.

brush

(53,778 posts)
5. The armorer was just on her second job as armorer. She...
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:42 PM
Oct 2021

should never get another one. Baldwin, the first assistant director and she will likely face criminal charges. The AD and armorer of course should've never handed the gun to Baldwin.

Seems like it was amateur hours on that set.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
8. Yup
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 04:01 PM
Oct 2021

The producers cut a lot of corners and are paying for it. Plenty of blame to go around though.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
15. He Was One Of Several Producers
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 06:23 PM
Oct 2021

Typically, when a lead actor is also a producer, it's a deal made to:
1. Allow that actor undisputed influence over script, location, & other aspects of movie making.
2. To add points for share of profit in exchange for a lower guarantee for the role. Actor still makes big money if the movie is a hit, but lowers the risk as sunk costs go down.
3. The actor has out up some of their own money for the production, and the points are a return on investment.
In nearly zero cases does such an actor have an active role in the daily operations of the production.
This was a tragic accident and Baldwin is said to be distraught.
Not sure it's reasonable to ascribe further culpability to him in this incident.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
10. Rumor Is That Some Were Shooting Target Practice During Breaks
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 04:58 PM
Oct 2021

Whomever brought the live rounds onto the set, is going to be in big trouble.

doc03

(35,337 posts)
7. This is confusing Halls checked the gun and saw three
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:58 PM
Oct 2021

cartridges then hands it to Balwinn and says it's cold. Were there metal projectile cartridges mixed in with blanks? If he saw three rounds how would he call it cold?
From a movie firearms expert I saw on the TV a so called prop gun will not accept regular metal bullet rounds. It had to be regular firearm intended to fire bullets not a "prop gun".

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
11. The Fact It Was A Real Gun Is Less Significant
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:02 PM
Oct 2021

There is no rule against having a real firearm there.

The problem was the presence of live ammunition.

And technically, even that would not be relevant, had the weapon been checked out before introducing it for Alec to use.

AwakeAtLast

(14,124 posts)
12. The armorer should be charged
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 06:12 PM
Oct 2021

With at least Manslaughter. If you are in charge of the guns and someone dies, there should be some accountability.

Baldwin's only error was not firing the armorer (as a Producer) before this tragic event occurred.

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