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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 04:46 PM Oct 2021

Paid leave falls out of Democratic package in urgent scramble to secure Manchin's support

CNN

(CNN)Democrats are expected to scrap paid family and medical leave from their cornerstone economic and climate package, discarding one of the central planks of President Joe Biden's proposal as they scramble to strike a deal with holdout senators, according to multiple people familiar with the talks.

The plan's survival has been in question for several days due to objections from Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat. Biden's initial 12-week proposal was scaled back to four weeks in an effort to secure Manchin's support. That was rejected, leading to an effort by New York Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand that attempted to find a compromise with Manchin.

That has not succeeded, one of the people said, prompting Democrats to push it out of the package as they seek to scale back the proposal's overall cost and programs to meet Manchin's demands.

Manchin made clear he would not move when asked about the provision on Wednesday, saying: "I just can't do it."

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Paid leave falls out of Democratic package in urgent scramble to secure Manchin's support (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2021 OP
The look newdayneeded Oct 2021 #1
Why does he get his way when the rest of the Dems in the senate do not.... -nt Diamond_Dog Oct 2021 #2
Because the Republican Party is so perverse, two of their Senators won't join in to negate him. TheBlackAdder Oct 2021 #4
Exactly. We must elect more Dem Senators spooky3 Oct 2021 #11
Perhaps he's also running smoke to prevent Manchin's daughter from being investigated. TheBlackAdder Oct 2021 #13
Because he wants to see McConnell and the Republicans back in power? Dave says Oct 2021 #5
Because it is a 50-50 Senate. At this stage we need to get both bills passed, and do everything JohnSJ Oct 2021 #8
Because the minority doesn't get to pass bills FBaggins Oct 2021 #10
Because he doesn't need the Dem party, he has all the leverage Amishman Oct 2021 #24
He'll just keep moving the goal posts. TheBlackAdder Oct 2021 #3
Yup. That's the game. And ride out the clock. Dave says Oct 2021 #6
Has he gone below $1.5 Trillion? FBaggins Oct 2021 #12
That $1.5 Trillion is an arbitrary number he pulled out of his ass. TheBlackAdder Oct 2021 #14
True or not... it isn't a goalpost that has moved. FBaggins Oct 2021 #15
Whille defending him, he's gutted most payment methods. What makes his number the valid one? TheBlackAdder Oct 2021 #18
Who said his numbers are the "valid" ones? FBaggins Oct 2021 #20
He thinks his are valid. It's amazing that the taker state senators are always stopping progress. TheBlackAdder Oct 2021 #25
God he's an asshole. ColinC Oct 2021 #7
Yes it is, and we have to gain at least 52 seats in the Senate, and maintain the majority in the JohnSJ Oct 2021 #9
And the less mediocre it is, the more likely that will happen ColinC Oct 2021 #19
Probably was his plan the whole time. Xolodno Oct 2021 #16
His callous inflexibility and desire to show power seems to reveal some clinical psych issues. TheBlackAdder Oct 2021 #22
My little shithole island has twelve weeks maternity leave malaise Oct 2021 #17
Lol support for what?? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #21
LMAO aocommunalpunch Oct 2021 #23
 

newdayneeded

(2,493 posts)
1. The look
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 04:48 PM
Oct 2021

Why do I picture him with that punch-able chin up smug smile like Trump has all the time?

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
4. Because the Republican Party is so perverse, two of their Senators won't join in to negate him.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 04:56 PM
Oct 2021

spooky3

(38,308 posts)
11. Exactly. We must elect more Dem Senators
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:04 PM
Oct 2021

so that some Dem votes can be lost but bills still pass.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
8. Because it is a 50-50 Senate. At this stage we need to get both bills passed, and do everything
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:00 PM
Oct 2021

to win at least 52 seats in the Senate.

Hopefully, the people in his state realize what he is doing to the people in his state, and voice their disapproval


FBaggins

(28,649 posts)
10. Because the minority doesn't get to pass bills
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:03 PM
Oct 2021

And "the rest of the Dems" are a minority without his support.

Amishman

(5,917 posts)
24. Because he doesn't need the Dem party, he has all the leverage
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:30 PM
Oct 2021

He could switch parties and his political career would continue without a hiccup, WV's governor already proved this with his defection and re-election.

We have absolutely no leverage with him, so he has all the power.

No other senator is in a situation where they could walk away with effectively no career or legacy consequences.

FBaggins

(28,649 posts)
12. Has he gone below $1.5 Trillion?
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:04 PM
Oct 2021

Or decided to reject something he previously agreed to include?

FBaggins

(28,649 posts)
15. True or not... it isn't a goalpost that has moved.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:09 PM
Oct 2021

He made that figure clear before reconciliation even began.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
18. Whille defending him, he's gutted most payment methods. What makes his number the valid one?
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:12 PM
Oct 2021

FBaggins

(28,649 posts)
20. Who said his numbers are the "valid" ones?
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:18 PM
Oct 2021

Apart from the fact that 48 votes can't pass anything at all?

His one vote doesn't get to pass anything at all without at least 49 others... but it can keep them from passing what they want.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
25. He thinks his are valid. It's amazing that the taker state senators are always stopping progress.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:32 PM
Oct 2021

.

His constituents needs the jobs and money and most of that would come from donor states.

.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
9. Yes it is, and we have to gain at least 52 seats in the Senate, and maintain the majority in the
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:02 PM
Oct 2021

House and make Manchin and Sinema less able to hold the Democrats in the Senate hostage in 2022


ColinC

(11,098 posts)
19. And the less mediocre it is, the more likely that will happen
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:18 PM
Oct 2021

Which is why it's great the progressives are fighting to make this the best possible bill. It's a shame a single person is holding this all up :/

Xolodno

(7,316 posts)
16. Probably was his plan the whole time.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:09 PM
Oct 2021

Just he could fuck around with Sanders and a few others. All we need is a couple of more and we could ignore his demands.

We have 14 Senators up for reelection in 2022 and need to hold all of them.

The GOP has 20, but, looking at the states, I'm not very hopeful and that's with the retirements.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
22. His callous inflexibility and desire to show power seems to reveal some clinical psych issues.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:20 PM
Oct 2021

.

He's trenching himself in on an arbitrary $1.5 Maginot Line that he pulled out of his ass.

.

malaise

(293,109 posts)
17. My little shithole island has twelve weeks maternity leave
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:11 PM
Oct 2021

for any woman who has been employed for twelve months wherever.
Ah well!

aocommunalpunch

(4,556 posts)
23. LMAO
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 05:28 PM
Oct 2021

Jesus fucking Christ we suck as a country. Just absolutely pathetic. NO LEAVE of any kind. Remember this shit when anyone says something like, “we’ll come back to this” at some undetermined point in the future. I call bullshit in advance. Dem priorities are Sisyphean.

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