Biden made it clear to House Democrats that Congressional Majorities and the Presidency

[JohnSJ]

are on the line


They can have all the finger pointing and blame games they want, but in the end this is what is at stake

[sheshe2]

1. You are correct.

[onecaliberal]

2. The corporate masters know that too.

[Elessar Zappa]

3. This thing is gonna pass.

When it does, we need to saturate the airwaves and social media with positive messaging.

[JohnSJ]

5. Biden did a good job of that today, but we are running out of time. It is time to vote

on what we have, and move on to the next phase

[Elessar Zappa]

6. Agree.

It needs to get done asap.

[JohnSJ]

8. A lot of egos are at stake

[W_HAMILTON]

4. No one is going to win or lose the midterms based on...

...whether we get an infrastructure deal passed or not. It's just not going to happen.

Biden and the Democrats accomplished much more that would be immediately and personally meaningful to everyday Americans when they passed the coronavirus stimulus bill and the expanded child tax credit payments, and yet -- if you are to believe the polls -- Biden and Democrats are doing worse among Americans.

I'm not one of those progressives that shit on everything the Democrats do -- quite the contrary, actually, given that I'm usually very vocal against those types -- but if the reconciliation bill is so watered down that it doesn't bring new and significant improvements to people's life (e.g., the paid family leave part, which I think is now out, last I heard), it won't change voters' minds and certainly the infrastructure bill -- whose benefits are more long term and will not substantially impact most Americans any time soon -- will not either.

[JohnSJ]

7. It will have an impact. The media will be harping 24/7 that the Democrats can't get anything

legislative done.

Nobody remembers what happened yesterday, what can you do for me today

[W_HAMILTON]

10. The media will do that anyway, regardless of what happens.

And come next year, pretty much everything in whatever passes now will be considered "what happened yesterday."

[JohnSJ]

11. We don't agree. This will have an impact on the midterms. If nothing else, the Democrats

cannot use it when they campaign in 2022 if it doesn’t pass, verses using it if it does pass in 2022

[lagomorph777]

9. Sorry, that's just not credible. We have to run on successes.

Failures won't impress voters.

Even more important and urgent though, we MUST PASS VOTING RIGHTS REFORM. This is an incredibly dangerous moment in American history. The overt coup was temporarily blocked, but Reptilians have been implementing a stealthier, less bloody coup for years, and it's coming to a head. We pass voting rights or America is dead.

[W_HAMILTON]

12. Passing infrastructure won't impress voters either.

If an additional coronavirus stimulus payment and monthly payments of the expanded child tax credit etc. aren't enough to stop sagging polls now, you think voters will care about whether or not Democrats passed an infrastructure bill come this time next year?

And if Manchin won't even allow one freaking month of paid family leave in this reconciliation bill, there is zero chance that voting rights reforms will pass. Might as well just get prepared for everyday activists and volunteers to go out of our way to do everything we can to get all those the Republicans are trying to disenfranchise to vote and make sure their vote is received and accepted.

[ColinC]

13. Pure speculation but I think there is a CHANCE voting rights will pass

Not much more than that though

[PoliticAverse]

26. Are you expecting an exception to the filibuster for the bill? n/t

[ColinC]

28. Yeah

Like a 25-50% chance manchin and sinema go for it

[LW1977]

14. Then let's just give up then!

I’ll start packing for Canada.

[GoodRaisin]

20. Disagree on infrastructure.

Infrastructure does need to get done or it will affect the mid terms. It just doesn’t have to get done TODAY like is being pushed in M$M endless babbling about it. What is important is it gets done.

Both bills need to be done. The bill the President described today will do a lot of good for many Americans. It would be a good start and hopefully help us increase majorities in 2022 so we can get even more in 2023.

The bigger problem with the delay is it’s pushing back even more vital legislation like the voting bill we need. So, I hope we can wrap up the negotiations on this soon. But it wouldn’t be the end of the world like M$M keeps ruminating over if the President leaves for Italy without either bill finalized first.

All the drama is being amped up by M$M who is determined to find fault with everything Democrats do.

[Jon King]

15. This will help, but crime, borders, China.

Those are the 3 things the Repugs are messaging against Biden very well with independents. Got to pass these bills for sure.

But Dems have to go full bore in the next year how they are better for independents and everyone on crime, borders, and China.

[johnthewoodworker]

16. Progressives need to bend over and give the moderates whatever they want. Same shit.

[JohnSJ]

17. Why can't people not see what a 50-50 Senate means?

[Hortensis]

31. Come on: A small minority versus the large liberal progressive mainstream.

Of course in a representative government designed for majorities to decide, the much larger group is going to prevail.

It's hard, seemingly, for a lot of passionate "Progressives" (not to be confused with progressives) to admit they are very much a minority. But just remember how few of their Progressive candidates (the real thing) are elected -- and that a lot more fail to be.

And that, angry as Progressives get at Democrats, no matter how sure they are that we're all corrupt corporatists selling them out to our "corporate masters," they're too few and...too themselves to form a viable party of their own. When they did get one off the ground in the past, it failed completely to kick FDR and the New Dealers out -- and then collapsed. The same characteristics that made them despise the progressive New Dealers then, and today's progressive Democrats now, also cause them to grow instead of resolving disagreements between them.

So, it's nothing to do with "bending over." It's just the same problem all minority groups that are unable to ally with others to become majorities have.

[SYFROYH]

18. I remember when Biden he could get things done by working with GOP.

Whatever happened to that?

[wellst0nev0ter]

21. Those mean progressives wouldn't let him

[Cha]

30. Magats happened.. fucking trump

happened. Treasonous assholes happened.

[Autumn]

19. House Democrats are well aware of that. The senate doesn't seem to give a fuck what's at stake.

That's where the problems are at. They will have their way and damn the people and the country.

[Bobstandard]

22. Sinema is triggered

She’s such an egotistical pos she’ll revel in torpedoing Biden, Democrats and the whole country. Then she’ll blame the result on others.

[Bobstandard]

23. It's weird. Like tfg..

She could be a hero. If tfg had fought Covid he’d have been re-elected. If Sinema backed Biden and also helped kill the filibuster she’d be remembered as a savior of democracy.

Maybe she thinks democracy will die anyway so why not be a hero of the side that wins? Inexplicable otherwise

[station agent]

24. Of course you frame it to blame progressives and excuse conservative democrats

[JohnSJ]

25. Please extract where the OP said that? It will be everyone's fault

[SayItLoud]

27. Yes, and if anyone (Dems) think they will get a better deal with GQPers in charge..

GET REAL !

[Cha]

29. Good on Pres Biden.. he's aware

of that.. even if some lose sight.