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malaise

(268,993 posts)
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:18 PM Oct 2021

Following the absolutely crazy church cult killing in Jamaica

I have a question - how many church people sign away their insurance policies to these pastors? This is looking more and more like major insurance fraud or killing to cash in policies. Is this the prosperity gospel business?
I cannot believe people are so gullible.

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Following the absolutely crazy church cult killing in Jamaica (Original Post) malaise Oct 2021 OP
I'm safe. I don't go to church, or have an insurance policy. Whew! panader0 Oct 2021 #1
What happened malaise Oct 2021 #2
I can't remember---wasn't there a killing in the church? panader0 Oct 2021 #5
Three people died malaise Oct 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Oct 2021 #3
I just watched this on the SoulFlo Youtube channel.... marmar Oct 2021 #4
For real malaise Oct 2021 #6
---- makes ya kinda wish there really was a Hell. 3Hotdogs Oct 2021 #9
There are so many good people. You yourself are one. panader0 Oct 2021 #10
That isn't typically what people are talking about when Haggard Celine Oct 2021 #8
Thanks I did not know this I thought they all get together and pray to be rich shoulda guessed luckone Oct 2021 #14
I'm wearing my tinfoil hat on his death tulipsandroses Oct 2021 #11
Lots of folks share your view malaise Oct 2021 #12
The whole thing was wack and ends with that car wreck and the guy dead . I have no questions luckone Oct 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Oct 2021 #17
You raise some great questions malaise Oct 2021 #18
religion itself is proof people can be made to believe anything Skittles Oct 2021 #15
Yes indeed is correct malaise Oct 2021 #16
I just think it's strange when people deride others' beliefs as nutty Skittles Oct 2021 #19
My mother was deeply Catholic malaise Oct 2021 #20
My sister... 2naSalit Oct 2021 #21
I attended a evangelical church for awhile and the pastor with the... Thomas Hurt Oct 2021 #22

panader0

(25,816 posts)
1. I'm safe. I don't go to church, or have an insurance policy. Whew!
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:22 PM
Oct 2021

Keep us up to date on what happened.

malaise

(268,993 posts)
2. What happened
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:25 PM
Oct 2021

The pastor died in a very suspicious car crash on his way to face charges in Kingston. One of the cops in the vehicle was also killed and two others were injured.

malaise

(268,993 posts)
7. Three people died
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:32 PM
Oct 2021

and another was seriously injured - and don't forget the police and soldiers arrived and opened fire killing a cult member.

I heard one (in disguise on local news tonight) saying he had handed over his policy (he was lucky to survive - cops arrived in time to save him). Not only did he hand over his policy - there were policies on his two sons

Response to panader0 (Reply #1)

marmar

(77,080 posts)
4. I just watched this on the SoulFlo Youtube channel....
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:26 PM
Oct 2021

.... you couldn't write a script that crazy.

malaise

(268,993 posts)
6. For real
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:31 PM
Oct 2021

Apparently he didn't know that the insurance company had raised red flags about one of the victim's policies being turned over to him even before he had her killed. Still using the Covid vaccine as the mark of the beast for cover was quite creative.
Do people really believe there will be an Ark to take them to some heavenly spot?
I'm ready to give up on humanity.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
10. There are so many good people. You yourself are one.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:43 PM
Oct 2021

But there seems to be be more weirdness than ever.
Three people dead is tragic, but that number is small compared to the Jonestown cult (918)
or 9/11 or the invasion of Iraq or covidiots. When I feel ready to give up I go outside or play music or do ganga.
It never goes away. Seems it has always been like this.

Haggard Celine

(16,845 posts)
8. That isn't typically what people are talking about when
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:36 PM
Oct 2021

they speak of "prosperity gospel." Prosperity gospel teaches that God will reward you with riches if you give money to these preachers. It's called "planting a seed," or "seed faith." The preachers teach that giving large sums to them is an act of faith and that the Lord won't bless you unless you prove you have faith by sacrificing a significant amount of money. Prosperity gospel preachers, while unscrupulous, don't require their marks to die for them and leave their insurance policies to them.

luckone

(21,646 posts)
14. Thanks I did not know this I thought they all get together and pray to be rich shoulda guessed
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:29 PM
Oct 2021

of course there would be some seed money needed to prove one deserves to get rich themselves by giving to the preachers 🙄

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
11. I'm wearing my tinfoil hat on his death
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:47 PM
Oct 2021

Was any else a part of this that decided to take him out before he started singing?
But yeah this is bonkers. I’ve been talking about it with my dad all week.
I dont know how people fall for some of this crap.

luckone

(21,646 posts)
13. The whole thing was wack and ends with that car wreck and the guy dead . I have no questions
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:24 PM
Oct 2021

about insurance I don’t think the guy planned on being dead too + seems obvious he was going to get $$ after the “sacrifices “ and so many listen to preachers as their highest authority here on earth and give lots of money alive to them so why not when dead I’m not shocked

Also that ark he had with foods and animals in the building another strange

As far as police killing I read that police were shot at and attacked by a man with a knife, when trying to enter and a fight occurred before the police forced their way in

Who would sit there and watch human sacrifices ??? is my big question because a lot of people were taken from that church that day including children , I know some ran out but I can’t believe there are people who would witness that for a religion 2021


I didn’t follow up but what I read a few days ago had me wondering about who stayed to witness the sacrifices, fought off the police so they couldn’t try to stop them and had me hoping they do not go and start another church as a group !

Response to luckone (Reply #13)

malaise

(268,993 posts)
18. You raise some great questions
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:42 PM
Oct 2021

and you're right about the police being attacked. Note though that some of the members are police or army. Apparently his father was an army man.

The guy on TV said he told them he'd bring them back to life and such was their believe in a classic con man.
From he referred to himself as You excellency, they should have got a hint.

malaise

(268,993 posts)
16. Yes indeed is correct
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:38 PM
Oct 2021

I took an old friend around today since her car is being fixed - that she was able to separate hers from theirs was baffling - I wasn't biting. In my world all mumbo jumbo is just mumbo jumbo. Religion is the original myth - Santa Claus is another foolish one - you'll get gifts if you buy this BS.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
19. I just think it's strange when people deride others' beliefs as nutty
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:47 PM
Oct 2021

while believing in virgin birth, rising from the dead, etc......from the outside looking it, it's all nutty

malaise

(268,993 posts)
20. My mother was deeply Catholic
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 10:09 PM
Oct 2021

One say when she was talking about the ridiculous immaculate conception I asked her how she'd react if I came home pregnant and made the same claim. She said she'd tell to bring that SOB home let her deal with him - everything changed that day - she laughed and I laughed louder.

2naSalit

(86,600 posts)
21. My sister...
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 10:47 PM
Oct 2021

Who married a catholic guy, we were not, and she ended up referring to it as the immaculate deception.



Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
22. I attended a evangelical church for awhile and the pastor with the...
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 10:58 PM
Oct 2021

used car salesman grin made sure to mention once or twice a month that the sheep should consider including his entrepreneurial going concern in their estate planning.

Get them coming and going.

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