Anyone from a highly vaccinated place have local efficacy #s?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Efficacy here in Central Texas has dropped to an alarming level. 33% of people in the hospital are vaccinated. 32% on vents. (Low vaccination rate and no mask mandates.)

Wondering how these hospital/ventilator rates compare to states with higher vaccination rates and mask-wearing.

I don't think the national covid websites capture this information.

[Ocelot II]

1. The higher the percentage of vaccinated people in a particular area,

the higher the percentage of vaccinated people who are hospitalized will be. Basic math: If 100% of the people in a particular area are vaccinated, 100% of the covid patients who are hospitalized will have been vaccinated. This does not mean that the vaccine doesn't work as intended. It doesn't totally prevent all illness, or even all hospitalization; some vaccinated people, particularly the elderly and people with weak immune systems (Colin Powell, for example), are still going to get sick and might end up in a hospital.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. Good point but still curious about the high hospitalizations

In low vaccinated areas.

[Ocelot II]

6. That's pretty obvious - if you don't get vaccinated you're more likely to get covid and

get a bad enough case of it to end up in the hospital or dead. Dr. Osterholm has said that if you don't get vaccinated you will get it eventually.

[Phoenix61]

3. It's amazing how many people don't get basic math. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Yeah well my husband and I both lost our fathers to covid

So snark like that really isn't appreciated at this point

[Phoenix61]

14. I'm sorry for your loss. It wasn't meant as snark.

Those types of numbers are being used to support the narrative that the vaccines are ineffective when they are simply a mathematical function.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Thanks. All good.

[Ocelot II]

15. I don't think snark was intended (and my condolences for your loss),

but that they were trying to point out that many people won't understand what that graph means - they are likely to interpret it backwards, as meaning that 30% of vaccinated people will be hospitalized, which isn't the case at all. Here's a really good analysis, using data available as of August (but before the delta variant became more widespread): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html

Here's another, more recent analysis from my state, Minnesota, which keeps very good, current data: https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html Here, as of mid-September, only .076% of fully vaccinated people were hospitalized, and only .010% of vaccinated people died (about 300 out of over three million).

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. I must be one of those people. You are saying that you can't interpret the graph

to mean that out of the people who WERE hospitalized with covid ... 67% were not vaccinated and 33% were vaccinated. On vents 68/32

Just looked at the national CDC tracking on this subject and it was around 4% hospitalization rate for those who are vaccinated.

[Ocelot II]

20. Yes, and that's because so many people in the total population were vaccinated.

Some of them were going to get sick anyhow. But of the total vaccinated population only a very small percentage - less than 1% in my state - will get sick enough to be hospitalized.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. You are saying YES, you can NOT simply subtract 67% (unvaccinated) from 100% to get vaccinated

hospitalizations?

Totally get that as vaccinations rise, vaccinated people will make up a larger share Of course we are in a low vaccinated area.

[Ocelot II]

23. All the graph tells you is that 67% of the hospitalized people

were not vaccinated, and that 33% were. What it doesn't tell you is the age or condition of the vaccinated people who were hospitalized, or what percentage of the total population is vaccinated. That's why the graph, while not false, can be mistakenly interpreted to suggest that the vaccines aren't working.

Here are a couple of graphs from my state health department, linked in my previous post, that offer a little better information about age and vaccination status. They won't reflect the exact situation in your area but they're at least an example of the efficacy of the vaccines and how they significantly reduce hospitalization rates in all age groups.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. Thanks, looked at this before. Headings were confusing but looking at it again, it sounds like MN

has an amazingly low rate of vaccinated hospitalizations !! WAY below the national avg CDC has of 4%
I can see now why the vaccine looks SO effective there given those numbers.

So...my main point, not to belabor but, my city/county has an extraordinarily high percentage of vaccinated hospitalizations at 33%. And it has a lower vaccination rate in comparison to other places.

BTW, interesting study just came out from England and how vaccinated people were just as likely to carry infection as non-vaccinated
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/579068-vaccinated-just-as-likely-to-spread-delta-variant-as-unvaccinated-study

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. Age trends here on hospitalizations

[Ocelot II]

9. That makes sense - older people are more likely to be vaccinated.

So they will now be making up a smaller percentage of hospitalized covid patients than before vaccinations were available.

[Hav]

10. What point do you want to make with that graph?

Looks to me that the hospitalization rate for the old, those who got the vaccine first and have the highest vaccination rate, fell considerably.

[ananda]

4. Austin has gone from stage 5 to stage 3.

Officials are worried that a move to stage 2
will result in another surge; but we're
doing pretty well here for now.

I'm playing in my bridge club again. Everyone
there is double or triple vaxxed.

I still wear a mask, but I was the only one doing
so yesterday.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. Do businesses require masks? I don't know of any place here that does.

Must have signs that say it would be appreciated. Damn trump devil friend Abboy

[lagomorph777]

8. I'd be mighty suspicious of any numbers in Texas.

All of them are passing though Abattoir's bloody hands.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. I hear you. But surely, surely they aren't jacking up

The hospitalization and ventilator rates for vaccinated people to make vaccinations look bad and make f g and Abbott better? Well I wouldn't put it past either of them. That said, our mayor seems normal.

[lagomorph777]

12. Oh, heavens no.

[Mariana]

16. Really need more information to draw conclusions.

For example, the ages and co-morbidities of the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated populations in the hospital and on vents may be very different.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. Agree. Need age breakdown at least of the people hospitalized

who are vaccinated. And co-morbidities of that group for sure.

Regardless it's still strikes me that there is a huge disconnect between the data and the lack of risk warning. I know it seems insignificant too many people but if people are still dying, I think we owe it to them to go all in on warning anyone who is older or anyone with a comorbidity that they should immediately try to get a booster and to always wear a mask in public

[Ohio Joe]

22. The numbers for here in Boulder County Colorado

Vaccine data:

https://www.bouldercounty.org/families/disease/covid-19-information/covid-19-vaccine-information/vaccine-data/

Breakdown (including hospitalization):

https://www.bouldercounty.org/families/disease/covid-19-information/covid-19-data-stats/covid-19-data/

Sorry, I don't have a way to paste in the dashboards they show.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. thanks! Unless I missed it, didn't see any data on hospitalizations by vaccine status. did you?

Great vaccination rate ! You must feel so much safer there! Looks like about same population as here too.

[Ohio Joe]

26. No, it is not there and I do not see it on the site at all

We are pretty happy about the vax rate here. It is a very liberal area so most people are smart enough to understand how the virus transmits and take the appropriate precautions. I've not seen or heard of a single instance of some moran anti-masker yelling at shop keepers or other customers anywhere around here. No anti-vax demonstrations... None of the non-sense that has been rampant elsewhere... It really is nice

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. You are so lucky!!!! Sounds like heaven.