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Nevilledog

(51,096 posts)
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 11:46 AM Oct 2021

The National Archives has publicly identified the records Trump is trying to withhold from 1/6 commi



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Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
EXPLOSIVE late-night court filing fomr National Archives details what Trump is trying to block the Jan. 6 committee from obtaining.

They include "daily presidential diaries, schedules, appointments showing White House visitors, activity logs" and records of calls to Trump/Pence.
10:27 PM · Oct 29, 2021


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1454319078785617923?refresh=1635608594


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/30/call-logs-speech-drafts-among-records-trump-is-trying-to-block-from-jan-6-investigators-517796

Donald Trump is seeking to prevent Jan. 6 investigators from accessing daily presidential diaries, drafts of election-related speeches, logs of his phone calls, handwritten notes and files of top aides, the National Archives revealed in a Saturday morning court filing.

According to the National Archives, the former president has sought to block about 750 pages out of nearly 1,600 identified by officials as relevant to the Jan. 6 investigation. Among them are hundreds of pages from “multiple binders of the former press secretary [Kayleigh McEnany] which is made up almost entirely of talking points and statements related to the 2020 election,” according to the court filing.

The filing details are the clearest indication yet of what Trump is trying to withhold from congressional investigators seeking information about his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results and his activities on the day that a mob of violent Trump supporters stormed the Capitol and disrupted the peaceful transfer of power.

The National Archives indicated that many files were drawn from the systems of key Trump aides including former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, adviser Stephen Miller and deputy counsel Patrick Philbin.

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The National Archives has publicly identified the records Trump is trying to withhold from 1/6 commi (Original Post) Nevilledog Oct 2021 OP
you did it more nicely than I did at midnight. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #1
Weird.....that link won't open for me Nevilledog Oct 2021 #2
Is this the link you're directing to? liberalla Oct 2021 #3
Thanks to both of you. This is news that should be front and center for the rest of the year. ancianita Oct 2021 #4
Smoking gun... dlk Oct 2021 #5
These are already public records, am I right? FakeNoose Oct 2021 #6
I don't either. He's filed a lawsuit but I haven't heard KPN Oct 2021 #8
They are not "public" records in the sense that anyone has access to them. onenote Oct 2021 #17
here's why he doesn't want the diaries getting out there...... Takket Oct 2021 #7
.... eating cheeseburders, practicing golf...... groundloop Oct 2021 #11
I can envision a little putting green next to his golden toilet........ lastlib Oct 2021 #25
So he can practice his putz. eggplant Oct 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #29
They give away important information when they block the release of relevant records. Martin68 Oct 2021 #9
Yes! Rachel last night mentioned that very problem..."The Streisand effect" FailureToCommunicate Oct 2021 #10
What more do they need to release them, let him sue, Historic NY Oct 2021 #12
Per the Supreme Court and an act of Congress, he absolutely has standing onenote Oct 2021 #20
Do NOT piss off a librarian. That goes double for archivists. n/t TygrBright Oct 2021 #13
Leak it all! Is anyone worried that Garland will prosecute ? Pepsidog Oct 2021 #14
K&R UTUSN Oct 2021 #15
Sounds like a lot of shit that should have been out there all along... Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #16
yes, these seem like public records to me LymphocyteLover Oct 2021 #27
Get it out there. Tens of millions already don't care a wit. Other tens of millions will call it Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #18
Go after Stephen Miller LiberalFighter Oct 2021 #19
K&R! SheltieLover Oct 2021 #21
With the 6 Fascists on the Supreme court I think they will eventually rule INdemo Oct 2021 #22
Jim Acosta covered this today NJCher Oct 2021 #23
Rt TY! Cha Oct 2021 #24
KnR Hekate Oct 2021 #26

FakeNoose

(32,638 posts)
6. These are already public records, am I right?
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 12:31 PM
Oct 2021

Doesn't that mean they're already available to the public?
I don't get how Chump could be able to block access to these.

KPN

(15,644 posts)
8. I don't either. He's filed a lawsuit but I haven't heard
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 12:37 PM
Oct 2021

anythigabouttheNat Archives having actually been enjoined from releasing those public records pending a ruling on the suit. Is the Nat Archives just being “cautious”?

onenote

(42,700 posts)
17. They are not "public" records in the sense that anyone has access to them.
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 02:24 PM
Oct 2021

Pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, the records are owned by the "public" but there are a detailed set of procedures and rules governing when and how anyone can get access to them.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

Takket

(21,565 posts)
7. here's why he doesn't want the diaries getting out there......
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 12:31 PM
Oct 2021

we'll know what he actually did all day for "executive time"

it will be a combination of treason, pooping, and watching Fox news.

Response to groundloop (Reply #11)

Martin68

(22,800 posts)
9. They give away important information when they block the release of relevant records.
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 12:54 PM
Oct 2021

If they are trying to prevent it from being seen, then it must be seen!

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
12. What more do they need to release them, let him sue,
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 01:51 PM
Oct 2021

he has no standing, that is how the loser has led his life suing people into submission. By the time this see's a court he could be morta.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
20. Per the Supreme Court and an act of Congress, he absolutely has standing
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 02:28 PM
Oct 2021

That doesn't mean he will succeed in blocking the disclosure, but the law as to his standing is clear.


See Nixon v GSA:

"it is argued, such claims may be asserted only by incumbents who are presently responsible to the American people for their action. We reject the argument that only an incumbent President may assert such claims, and hold that appellant, as a former President, may also be heard to assert them."

The Court went on to say:"we think that the Solicitor General states the sounder view, and we adopt it:

"This Court held in United States v. Nixon . . . that the privilege is necessary to provide the confidentiality required for the President's conduct of office. Unless he can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends. The confidentiality necessary to this exchange cannot be measured by the few months or years between the submission of the information and the end of the President's tenure; the privilege is not for the benefit of the President as an individual, but for the benefit of the Republic. Therefore the privilege survives the individual President's tenure."

See also the detailed rules governing disclsoure:
https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html#2204

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
18. Get it out there. Tens of millions already don't care a wit. Other tens of millions will call it
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 02:25 PM
Oct 2021

fake news whatever the records show. Deplorable and dangerous. They need a dose of reality fast and clear.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
22. With the 6 Fascists on the Supreme court I think they will eventually rule
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 06:41 PM
Oct 2021

in Trumps favor and Congress will have to do without the files.

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