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Breaking News: GOP Senate Candidate Tells FBI He Has Evidence Michael Flynn Is Working (Original Post) triron Nov 2021 OP
Our common day reality consists of plots too ridiculous to be made into a book or movie. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #1
A fiction writer's Mme. Defarge Nov 2021 #3
Not Mikhal Flynn. Perhaps Putin, but my money is on the Muslim leadership of Turkey. TheBlackAdder Nov 2021 #29
The first time it was Israel, perhaps still is. Celerity Nov 2021 #44
+1 peppertree Nov 2021 #83
WTF was Jill Stein doing there in the first place? calimary Nov 2021 #75
well...2016 llashram Nov 2021 #80
She was invited and probably offered a big campaign contribution... Justice matters. Nov 2021 #82
++ llashram Nov 2021 #79
Treason to the level of execution ... if guilty. texasfiddler Nov 2021 #2
He's white, Republican, rich. They have stacks of get out of jail free cards. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #4
That is one of those things that needs to end fast, otherwise say goodbye to Democracy Escurumbele Nov 2021 #12
Slowly? Dave says Nov 2021 #20
Becoming? sop Nov 2021 #23
I was thinking the same thing earlier today. We are well on our way to becoming a banana republic. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #33
Train left the station. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #37
Nah..There's been a number of white traitors sent to prison whathehell Nov 2021 #30
It is time to lock up the Slobfather and his goons malaise Nov 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Nov 2021 #6
I think... Mike Nelson Nov 2021 #7
Yep. A big chunk of the population will be just fine with what Flynn is doing. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #9
That is the amazing part. Coalescing around a convicted traitor. Un-precedented in my lifetime. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #14
Every day feels unprecedented. The country has gone crazy bad. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #16
Yeah. It's just "burn it down" but they have zero idea what they are doing besides or after that. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #17
The plan is to amass as much wealth and power as possible, like Putin. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #22
So how do the poor MAGATs think they fit into that? Most are not at all wealthy. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #47
They fit in as useful idiots. Ohioboy Nov 2021 #56
But what's the real reward in terms of anything that actually helps them, or their families? Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #60
They get a white supremacist, racist society which is what they want. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #72
It could be that simple/ basic. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #84
Yes I think it is. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #85
It's a total lack of understanding, plus they are conditioned to hate Progressives and Democrats Ohioboy Nov 2021 #87
Dayum, that is really ignorant. I think you are right though. Indoctrination. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #89
Yes they are the racist, white supremacist base which does the dirty work for the GOP. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #61
It seems so pandr32 Nov 2021 #68
The divvying up consists of a lot of bribes, kickbacks, corruption. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #73
Not to mention threats pandr32 Nov 2021 #78
The Trumpsters are a lost cause. They are litterally out of their minds. hadEnuf Nov 2021 #27
Talking Points Memo Russian TV Host Features Trump Fans' 'I'd Rather Be A Russian Than A Democrat' Justice matters. Nov 2021 #62
There is no "rather" about it. They are Russians through Trump. hadEnuf Nov 2021 #81
These idiots think they're patriots while wearing crap like that Ohioboy Nov 2021 #88
He needs to be stripped of all military benefits at the very least. OMGWTF Nov 2021 #8
You make a good point, but there is an option that I read of. Escurumbele Nov 2021 #13
It would send a message & take some wind out of the Q-anon sails. CrispyQ Nov 2021 #69
This guy has been supported by the US taxpayer since he entered college as a kid. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #24
There are more efficient ways than that. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #34
Beyond reason why Flynn traitor is not behind bars...What will it take? Escurumbele Nov 2021 #10
Flynn has committed the GQPs unforgiveable sin BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #11
Sic semper tyrannis. dchill Nov 2021 #15
Yeah so, it's a day that ends in "y". Nothing will come of it NightWatcher Nov 2021 #18
There is no way Trump can be 'reinstalled' left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #19
That's one of the questions that occurred to me, too. wnylib Nov 2021 #40
Apparently about 25% of the country thinks he can. n/t Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #86
SEVERE ffr Nov 2021 #21
BLACKWATCH PLAID! TlalocW Nov 2021 #36
Wow, a republican senate candidate mountain grammy Nov 2021 #25
Can we trust this guy....? The Repub, that is. I hate to take anything they say seriously. nt albacore Nov 2021 #26
We need a confirmation of this story as well. triron Nov 2021 #28
Salon broke this story on Oct 31 berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #49
Why doesnn't Salon go so far as to at least suggest treason? triron Nov 2021 #57
The candidate (Everett Stern) uncovered money laundering at HSBC Qutzupalotl Nov 2021 #43
Don't get me wrong I think Flynn should be in Leavenworth... nycbos Nov 2021 #31
Very questionable source, IMO. wnylib Nov 2021 #41
Is it possible that Israeli intel has some agents working other sides? empedocles Nov 2021 #53
Maybe it's possible, but if wnylib Nov 2021 #63
Sometimes thats how cases develop. May not want to put all his cards out on the empedocles Nov 2021 #67
:) No, of course. Strictly tabloid/social media "news" at this point. Hortensis Nov 2021 #58
Thanks. I thought I should treat it with some skepticism. nycbos Nov 2021 #65
:) Of course, these days smart people don't read the NYT Hortensis Nov 2021 #70
See post 48 below. triron Nov 2021 #71
Thanks, Triron. That's likely where the blogger got it. Though Hortensis Nov 2021 #74
See that happens when you pardon a traitor SouthernDem4ever Nov 2021 #32
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2021 #35
Seth Abramson isn't a real credible Deminpenn Nov 2021 #38
And you know this because? triron Nov 2021 #39
Check out the Wikipedia article on him, wnylib Nov 2021 #42
I'm old enough to remember romana Nov 2021 #46
He used to be cited quite a bit Deminpenn Nov 2021 #50
He's kind of a conspiracy monger. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author obamanut2012 Nov 2021 #54
Republican-Russian scumbucket traitors deserve justice Champp Nov 2021 #45
Salon broke this story on Oct 31 berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #48
Thanks. triron Nov 2021 #59
Can't help but wonder if Putin turned TFG as well. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2021 #52
kicking nt Hotler Nov 2021 #55
Merrick Garland seems to have passed on alot troubling issues BlueJac Nov 2021 #64
Yeah, yeah... but gas prices are high and dems are in disarray Silent3 Nov 2021 #66
There is something not right with the man. Micheal Flynn conducts himself in a very strange manner. UCmeNdc Nov 2021 #76
Nothing will come of it. BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #77

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
29. Not Mikhal Flynn. Perhaps Putin, but my money is on the Muslim leadership of Turkey.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:29 PM
Nov 2021

.

How ironic would that be if Michael Flynn was in cahoots with the GOP hated Muslims?




.

Celerity

(43,422 posts)
44. The first time it was Israel, perhaps still is.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:17 AM
Nov 2021
The bestselling Proof Trilogy exhaustively detailed Flynn’s clandestine contacts with Israeli intelligence, with these contacts being specifically on the subject of illegal election interference.

peppertree

(21,639 posts)
83. +1
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:18 PM
Nov 2021

They've been aiding far-right movements in a number of western countries - on the understanding that, if elected, they would coddle any and all Isreali abuses over occupied territories.

And like Trump, those they've managed to get elected certainly have (if only symbolically).

llashram

(6,265 posts)
80. well...2016
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:32 PM
Nov 2021

the turning of American RW politics and ideology into the 21st-century quest for a fascist America. 1/6 was a violent culmination of their ongoing attempt(s).

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
82. She was invited and probably offered a big campaign contribution...
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:00 PM
Nov 2021
maybe through opaque shell companies based in a fiscal paradise created by the British Empire...

Since she had ZERO chance to win, she was used there to steal votes from Hillary Clinton.

Escurumbele

(3,396 posts)
12. That is one of those things that needs to end fast, otherwise say goodbye to Democracy
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:26 PM
Nov 2021

We are slowly becoming a banana republic.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
30. Nah..There's been a number of white traitors sent to prison
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:29 PM
Nov 2021

He only got pardoned the last time because of Trump.

Response to triron (Original post)

Mike Nelson

(9,960 posts)
7. I think...
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:16 PM
Nov 2021

... the Trumpsters would be happy. They read this as: "Michael Flynn Is Working to Overthrow Treasonous Biden Government."

Irish_Dem

(47,147 posts)
22. The plan is to amass as much wealth and power as possible, like Putin.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:05 PM
Nov 2021

And run the US like Russia which is basically ruled by mob bosses.
Russia is not really a country any more in the typical sense.

Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
56. They fit in as useful idiots.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 09:49 AM
Nov 2021

They do the grunt work- echoing propaganda, showing up at rallies, storming Capitols etc. A lot of times their motive is just sticking it to the other side.

Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
87. It's a total lack of understanding, plus they are conditioned to hate Progressives and Democrats
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:15 AM
Nov 2021

I worked with anti-democrat types who didn't understand the reason they are paid time -and- a- half for overtime was because of laws put forth by democrats. These same fellow workers would parrot what they heard from Glenn Beck- that FDR was a bad president.

I know people who are retired on Social Security that will tell you democrats have never done anything good for them.

Many of the democrat ideas are so good, the republicans can't decide whether to reject them or steal them. Remember Trump's mysterious healthcare plan that was always two weeks away from being announced?


MAGATs, along with everyone else in this country, have benefited greatly from democrat policies. They just don't understand how.

pandr32

(11,594 posts)
68. It seems so
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 12:07 PM
Nov 2021

I guess they have a plan to divvy up the spoils amongst themselves as they exploit everything they can.

hadEnuf

(2,197 posts)
27. The Trumpsters are a lost cause. They are litterally out of their minds.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:27 PM
Nov 2021

I mean we always knew they were, but now all the masks have come off (no pun intended) and they are basically wild-eyed lunatics who screech that good is bad and black is white, etc., etc., etc.

They are violent and dangerous criminals and should be treated as such, but anything other than that is an absolute waste of time with them.

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
62. Talking Points Memo Russian TV Host Features Trump Fans' 'I'd Rather Be A Russian Than A Democrat'
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 10:25 AM
Nov 2021


They really have no idea how much Russian citizens wish they were born in democratic countries.



hadEnuf

(2,197 posts)
81. There is no "rather" about it. They are Russians through Trump.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:50 PM
Nov 2021

Open treason from worthless scum who should have their citizenship revoked and be exiled.

OMGWTF

(3,962 posts)
8. He needs to be stripped of all military benefits at the very least.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:19 PM
Nov 2021

I knew he was a traitor and he got his son involved in his crimes. Hanging is too good for him.

Escurumbele

(3,396 posts)
13. You make a good point, but there is an option that I read of.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:28 PM
Nov 2021

The military can recall him and then put him under court martial, and if found guilty of treason, which should happen, well then...

CrispyQ

(36,482 posts)
69. It would send a message & take some wind out of the Q-anon sails.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 12:10 PM
Nov 2021

We won't do it, though. It might appear partisan. And even if it isn't partisan, the right will accuse us of that, so we won't do it. Just like Bannon is still enjoying his life, as usual.

Irish_Dem

(47,147 posts)
24. This guy has been supported by the US taxpayer since he entered college as a kid.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:08 PM
Nov 2021

Salary, benefits, retirement, the whole nine yards.

Escurumbele

(3,396 posts)
10. Beyond reason why Flynn traitor is not behind bars...What will it take?
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:25 PM
Nov 2021

This is unforgivable, I am so disappointed at Garland, I don't see anything positive coming from there...the jail time to insurrects are laughable, trump is still running around spewing hate, Flynn working diligently against the USA, Stone, Bannon, etc. and so many republicans who should at least be fired from their positions in office.

People, I am an optimist, or maybe I was an optimist...this is getting very ugly, I don't see a good future for us unless things change fast.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
11. Flynn has committed the GQPs unforgiveable sin
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:25 PM
Nov 2021

Failure to draw a crowd at GQP outdoor rallies. That means negative fascist cash flow. They will let him hang for that. His foreign treasonous activities are the gallows they will hang him from.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
19. There is no way Trump can be 'reinstalled'
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:54 PM
Nov 2021

His four year term expired.
How legitimate is the source for this OP?

wnylib

(21,500 posts)
40. That's one of the questions that occurred to me, too.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 01:41 AM
Nov 2021

Another question is in regard to the article's claim that Flynn's clandestine foreign contact for overthrowing the US government is with Israeli intelligence. Why would our ally, Israel, engage in clandestine activities aimed at overthrowing the US?

The article and its claims are dubious.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
25. Wow, a republican senate candidate
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:16 PM
Nov 2021

putting his country over party? That's the real story here. Flynn will probably have him killed.

triron

(22,007 posts)
57. Why doesnn't Salon go so far as to at least suggest treason?
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 09:59 AM
Nov 2021

Extortion is serious but compared to treason, meh.

Qutzupalotl

(14,318 posts)
43. The candidate (Everett Stern) uncovered money laundering at HSBC
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 01:51 AM
Nov 2021

back in 2012, to the tune of billions of dollars. His actions and testimony led to a successful prosecution of the company, which had to pay a $1.9 billion fine.

wnylib

(21,500 posts)
63. Maybe it's possible, but if
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 10:40 AM
Nov 2021

that's what Abramson thinks, then why not give more info on it or try to explain how it could be instead of just throwing it out there as an inuendo?

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
67. Sometimes thats how cases develop. May not want to put all his cards out on the
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 12:03 PM
Nov 2021

table. Many out there have a more 'direct' interest than we do.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
58. :) No, of course. Strictly tabloid/social media "news" at this point.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 10:01 AM
Nov 2021

As for the Republican candidate, he's both a Republican and an outlier, fringe candidate who needs attention badly. If there's anything to this, genuine news sources will be reporting.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. :) Of course, these days smart people don't read the NYT
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 12:24 PM
Nov 2021

without skepticm. For good reason. But at least its reputation is propped up by world-class investigative journalism, and loyalty juiced with crossword puzzles.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
74. Thanks, Triron. That's likely where the blogger got it. Though
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 01:00 PM
Nov 2021

Salon's generally a factually reliable source, this basically also reports that this candidate is alleging this. Salon's story is full of "alleges" and "claims."

I googled this morning looking for investigative media with editorial processes that might have finished checking this out, but none then. But note that media known for responsible journalism didn't publish this RW politician's claim as an allegation because, even if it didn't violate their ethics, it would confer unearned importance and credibility coming from them.

I like these intriguing things, I really do, but too often they just don't pan out.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
38. Seth Abramson isn't a real credible
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 10:00 PM
Nov 2021

source. He tends to make mountains out of mole hills. I'd take any information from him with a huge grain of salt.

wnylib

(21,500 posts)
42. Check out the Wikipedia article on him,
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 01:50 AM
Nov 2021

particularly the section under "Reception" where a Washington Post journalist refers to Abramson as a conspiracy theorist.

romana

(765 posts)
46. I'm old enough to remember
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 07:24 AM
Nov 2021

When he posted an editorial about how Bernie being behind in delegates in 2016 really meant he was winning, then claimed it was all “experimental journalism.”

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
50. He used to be cited quite a bit
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 08:07 AM
Nov 2021

here at DU, but his analysis and conclusions are always based on assumptions that don't add up when one looks at them with a critical eye. He tends to find conspiracies where there aren't any.

Elessar Zappa

(14,010 posts)
51. He's kind of a conspiracy monger.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 08:11 AM
Nov 2021

Last edited Fri Nov 5, 2021, 10:04 AM - Edit history (1)

I like a lot of his work but I don’t necessarily buy his conclusions on a lot of stuff.

Response to Deminpenn (Reply #38)

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
64. Merrick Garland seems to have passed on alot troubling issues
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 10:41 AM
Nov 2021

I don't think he will touch this either! Just my opinion. Hell, they won't even release the info about JFK assassination, and that's been 49 years ago, Probably, just more of the same. Losing faith in our system.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
76. There is something not right with the man. Micheal Flynn conducts himself in a very strange manner.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:03 PM
Nov 2021

To be an ex General he keeps some very close russian espionage friends. if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

BannonsLiver

(16,401 posts)
77. Nothing will come of it.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:06 PM
Nov 2021

We lack the fortitude to arrest a man who has been found in contempt of Congress. So the Flynn thing, like the Bannon thing, will amount to nothing.

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