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BlueSky3

(515 posts)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 10:50 AM Nov 2021

Why does the media keep saying this election was a loss for Democrats? It wasn't.

I wish this article in the Guardian would actually be read by the folks at the New York Times and Washington Post. Here's how it starts off:

"The election swept in a number of women and politicians of color at the state and local level. Yet pundits want to pretend this was an electoral catastrophe.

"Pretty much anything that happens to the Democrats is a sign that they’re weak and losing and should be worried, according to the storylines into which mainstream media tends to stuff news. Pretty much nothing, including losing, seems to signify that the Republicans are losers. In so habitually and apparently unconsciously fitting a wide array of new and varied facts into familiar old frameworks, the media shape the political landscape at least as much as they report on it.

"It’s in the language. The New York Times editorial board thunders that “Democrats deny political reality at their own peril” and then insists that this election in which a moderate lost is a sign that the party needs to get more moderate. Bloomberg News found a way to make a victory sound like defeat."

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/06/democrats-election-victory-loss-media-republicans|

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Why does the media keep saying this election was a loss for Democrats? It wasn't. (Original Post) BlueSky3 Nov 2021 OP
I believe media is why trump is still relevant. LakeArenal Nov 2021 #1
That is 100% correct. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #2
Absolutely! SheltieLover Nov 2021 #3
Propoganda is seeping into everything TigressDem Nov 2021 #5
There is no doubt in that statement Bristlecone Nov 2021 #6
Yup yup yup! PortTack Nov 2021 #8
I want some of whatever she's been drinking/smoking FBaggins Nov 2021 #4
One governor loss in a state that flips governors to the opposite party than the president for the PortTack Nov 2021 #9
True - but that isn't at all what happened FBaggins Nov 2021 #10
How was I not honest? Even Rachael Maddow played down the loss. McAuliffe lost by less than 5k PortTack Nov 2021 #15
I meant honest with ourselves. Not any intentional dishonesty on your part FBaggins Nov 2021 #16
Why do you say he lost by 5k? former9thward Nov 2021 #18
The Virginia house flipped. jimfields33 Nov 2021 #12
And the NJ State Senate leader (D) lost to a racist Polybius Nov 2021 #13
They do it because they are in concert with the gop to make dems look bad Fullduplexxx Nov 2021 #7
I used to work in the media. shrike3 Nov 2021 #11
Probably because that's exactly what happened. BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #14
We Virginians aren't happy with Youngkin. Duppers Nov 2021 #17

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
5. Propoganda is seeping into everything
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 11:34 AM
Nov 2021

Reading "The Hidden History of American Oligarchy" by Thom Hartman

In small doses. Otherwise, I get too depressed.

Taking over the media is one of the main parts of getting control of the government away from the people.

When the Fourth Estate falls, we are screwed.

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
4. I want some of whatever she's been drinking/smoking
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 11:15 AM
Nov 2021

Of course it was a loss for Democrats.

It was not an "electoral catastrophe" - but it was a significant loss.

Some students do poorly on an exam only to feel better when they find out that the professor grades on a curve and they did better than many other had in the same situation.

But politics doesn't grade on a curve. Better than someone else might have done at some time in the past does not make for a positive performance.

PortTack

(32,797 posts)
9. One governor loss in a state that flips governors to the opposite party than the president for the
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 12:18 PM
Nov 2021

Last 35 yrs should not be seen as a big loss.

NJ dem gov re-elected for a second term..first time in 40 yrs. dozens of county and school board elections went for Dems while bannon was trying to push RWNJs into those seats..failed miserably.

McAuliffe lost by less than 5k...it’s too bad..but far from a blood bath!

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
10. True - but that isn't at all what happened
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 12:22 PM
Nov 2021

If we can’t even describe Tuesday honestly - how can we debate how good/bad it was?

PortTack

(32,797 posts)
15. How was I not honest? Even Rachael Maddow played down the loss. McAuliffe lost by less than 5k
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:55 PM
Nov 2021

And we did win in NJ which was monumental and as I said bannon trying to take over school boards was an abysmal failure.

We won several races..and we lost some

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
16. I meant honest with ourselves. Not any intentional dishonesty on your part
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 05:22 PM
Nov 2021

We would all like to find ways to make the best of a bad situation.

McAuliffe lost by less than 5k

The current SoS count is almost 72k

You also appear very selective in which races you're paying attention to. There were quite a few shocking losses and almost every victory saw huge decreases in margin compared to expectations or 2020's results.

The second most powerful legislator in NJ (longest-serving Senate president in state history) lost even though he was effectively running unopposed. Republicans unexpectedly swept all of the statewide judicial races in PA and did unexpectedly well in local elections.

The biggest error is in looking at just the win/loss of the two largest races... rather than the huge shift in the vote itself. Sure... we won PA but it appears that the vote shifted 14% against us in a very blue state. Anything close to that nationally would be another 50-60 house seat disaster.

shrike3

(3,803 posts)
11. I used to work in the media.
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 12:30 PM
Nov 2021

Narratives are definitely a thing. There are a number of reasons for that, and laziness is among them. If you decide what the story is before you go in, it's easier to play it, position it. Plus, the media is like a herd: one goes in a certain direction there the others go. One of the reasons I'm glad I'm not in the media anymore.
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