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The judge is defining what is reasonable doubt....
Your "honor"...I submit what may be reasonable to you, may not be reasonable to me.
If I were to be a juror on this trial I'd make sure that all of the jurors agree that they completely understand the instructions given
There's going to be a hell of a lot of pressure on the foreman to get right.
euphorb
(279 posts)please tell us how the judge defined reasonable doubt.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)I didn't get it recorded.
My impression was that he was explaining what reasonable doubt is, whereas the judge in the case I was a juror on specifically stated that if she defined it, it would be tantamount to influencing the jury.
She said we were twelve jurors that swore an oath and we were presumed to be reasonable.
Sorry I can't be any more helpful than that.
moniss
(4,274 posts)I'm afraid people are going to see just how awful some of the people in this area of the country can be. Reasonable to them is the idea that a cop pulling on a man's shirt from behind says he perceives the possibility of a knife in the man's hand. So instead of immediately letting go of the shirt and getting some distance between them the cop draws his weapon and while holding the shirt fires 7 shots into the man from point blank range. Maybe a reasonable person would think that after the first or second shot that it would be reasonable to pause to see if the man was now "subdued" and no longer a "threat" but that is not what happened here because in this area of the country the people define reasonable as "empty the clip, reload if able and keep firing until there is no longer any movement".
The list of names of people who the police in South-Eastern Wisconsin have killed, beaten, died in custody etc. over the last few decades is quite lengthy. To so many who live here it is perfectly reasonable. Is it really a surprise to anybody that they will now find the outsourcing of that carnage to private individuals is also perfectly reasonable? The cops knowingly participated in putting a group of untrained people with deadly weapons out on the street and then openly encouraged them and supported them. Now that will likely get an "official" stamp of approval. It certainly is no surprise that this judge approves. That attitude by the judge is common in this area.
What the rest of the country needs to understand about this area is that a huge proportion of the population likes what happened to Jacob Blake, Rosenbaum and the rest. They feel more secure and "right" in their bigotry and having a police force willing to "take it to the ultimate end" in every situation no matter the facts or circumstances is reasonable to them. As we have seen they in fact enjoy getting their guns, body armor etc. and taking part in making "those people" be "subdued" and "submit" to them by any means they can get away with. That to them is perfectly reasonable. I've seen them, heard them and tried to reason with them my whole life. At long last I have come to the conclusion that these types are a waste of time as far as reasoning with them.
Over the last weeks the televised trial has shown the country an obviously biased judge and cops who got on the stand and were hostile to the prosecutor as it was clear they were protecting "their boy". But the media and their talking heads marvel at the sight while being too cowardly or too ignorant to show all of the times of similar outrages over the last decades. It would actually be reasonable and logical to expect that would happen so correction in policing/judicial proceedings could take place. But bigotry and injustice create conflict and that conflict is fodder for new reports, ratings and millions to be made. Bigotry and injustice are not reasonable, logical and tolerable. Except to the bigots, the unjust and those selling out for ratings.