BBB Passed the House!!!

[mucifer]

[texasfiddler]

1. I wonder who the one nay democrat is? NT

[634-5789]

5. Maine rep from GQP district, and was expected

[Celerity]

21. Jared Golden to vote no on Democrats' social spending bill, citing tax break for the wealthy

https://bangordailynews.com/2021/11/18/politics/jared-golden-to-vote-no-on-democrats-social-spending-bill-citing-tax-break-for-the-wealthy/

U.S. Rep. Jared Golden said Thursday night that he would vote against Democrats’ $1.7 trillion social spending bill in the House, citing a tax change that would mostly benefit the wealthy, though he did not rule out voting for the bill later on after it makes its way through the Senate.

It is another instance of the Lewiston Democrat bucking his party on a major initiative. The bill encompasses a range of long standing progressive priorities, including investments to combat climate change, improve affordability of child care and expand Medicaid and Medicare. But the sophomore congressman said late Thursday that he thought Democrats can “do better.”

Golden had been one of the few members of his party who had not committed to voting for the bill, saying earlier this month that he wanted to see a score from the Congressional Budget Office first. He previously cited concerns about the targeting of certain programs, some of which were addressed in later versions of the bill.

He had been most critical of a provision raising the cap on the state and local tax deduction. The tax cut, estimated to cost about $280 billion over 10 years, would primarily help high earners. An estimate from the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy, a left-leaning think tank, found three-quarters of the benefits of the change would go to the wealthiest 5 percent.

“Many of my colleagues argue this major line item is worth accepting to pass the rest of the bill,” Golden said in a statement Thursday night. “I disagree: the SALT giveaway in the Build Back Better Act is larger than the child care, pre-K, healthcare or senior care provisions of the bill.”

The 2nd District congressman, who faces a challenge from former U.S. Rep. Bruce Poliquin next year, has been known to split from his party on major spending bills. He was one of two House Democrats to vote against a $1.9 trillion pandemic relief bill earlier this year, saying it was poorly targeted and the money could be better allocated for other purposes.

[Hortensis]

31. An early sign was his opposition as a freshman to Pelosi continuing

as Speaker. Nancy Pelosi will not just go down in history but will be famous to far more than just historians.

Whether fool or scoundrel, imo, to choose for any reason to unseat her and go into the battle to save our nation with an unproven, far less experienced Speaker of the House in itself was a failure of test for fitness. Not of claimed ideology, but of ability to effectively advance it. It may be that, like some, it prioritizes opposing mainstream Democrats over his stated goals.

Speaking of, passage of the BBB notably lacked the public show of interference that passage of the physical infrastructure bill underwent. Likely keeping out of sight after the disastrous results of that, delaying passage until after the elections.

[Celerity]

32. many Problem Solvers/Blue Dog types opposed Pelosi for Speaker as well, including Conor Lamb

Some more than once.

2020/21:

Five centrist Democrats oppose Pelosi for Speaker in tight vote

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/532452-five-centrist-democrats-oppose-pelosi-for-speaker-in-tight-vote

Rep. Jared Golden (D-Maine) cast his Speaker vote for Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), a former House member turned senator who was considered a potential running mate for President-elect Joe Biden last year. Golden voted two years ago for Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-Ill.), who was the chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee at the time.

Rep. Conor Lamb (D-Pa.), meanwhile, voted for House Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), who is considered a rising star in the caucus ranks. Lamb previously cast his vote for Speaker in 2019 for former Rep. Joe Kennedy (D-Mass.), who was unsuccessful in his primary challenge last year against Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.).

Three additional Democrats voted "present": Reps. Mikie Sherrill (N.J.), Elissa Slotkin (Mich.) and Abigail Spanberger (Va.). Slotkin similarly voted "present" in 2019, while Spanberger and Sherrill had voted for Bustos.

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Pelosi won over some Democrats who opposed her for Speaker in 2019, including Reps. Jim Cooper (Tenn.), Jason Crow (Colo.), Ron Kind (Wis.), Kathleen Rice (N.Y.), and Kurt Schrader (Ore.).

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2018/19

Here are the House Democrats who oppose Nancy Pelosi for speaker

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/15/18095869/nancy-pelosi-speaker-votes-democrats-letter

A total of 16 Democrats are on a letter signalling their opposition to Pelosi, the intent of which is to demonstrate she doesn’t have the 218 votes to be speaker and encourage another person to challenge her.

Link to tweet

Tim Ryan (D-OH)
Seth Moulton (D-MA)
Kathleen Rice (D-NY)
Ed Perlmutter (D-CO)
Kurt Schrader (D-OR)
Filemon Vela Jr. (D-TX)
Stephen Lynch (D-MA)
Bill Foster (D-IL)
Linda Sanchez (D-CA)
Jim Cooper (D-TN)
Rep.-elect Jeff Van Drew (D-NJ)
Rep.-elect Joe Cunningham (D-SC)
Rep.-elect Max Rose (D-NY)
Rep.-elect Anthony Brindisi (D-NY)
Rep.-elect Gil Cisneros (D-CA)
Rep.-elect Ben McAdams (D-UT)

And there are other committed no’s who aren’t on the letter. Newly elected members Abigail Spanberger (D-VA), Jason Crow (D-CO), and Conor Lamb (D-PA) have not yet signed the letter but have publicly committed to vote against Pelosi on the all-important January 3 floor vote.

“I think we need new voices in Congress at all levels, from all the new members who are going to be arriving to the highest levels,” Spanberger told Vox in a recent interview. “I think foundationally, that’s pretty important.”


These House Democrats opposed Pelosi's successful bid for speaker

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/03/politics/democrats-vote-against-pelosi-list-speaker/index.html

[Hortensis]

37. Good roundup. Crow's not a blue dog, of course. His vote for

Duckworth was meaningless in itself since she couldn't win; it was just a way of voting against Pelosi.

As for the blue dog "Spanberger" types, I looked up the freshmen who came in claiming they had to honor promises to their constituents to oppose Pelsoi, pretending there was nothing wrong with making such promises to people who'd been gulping anti-Democratic and misogynistic Kool-Aid. Very shallow glances found donations from a blue dog who lead the attack on Pelosi, presumably doing some "empire building." The McConnell path to power: get people elected who agreed ahead of time to vote with you as your personal power base once in office.

I didn't spend that time on the farther-left anti-Pelosis since I figured it would come naturally to oppositional, classically anti-establishment LW types anyway; and anyway, avowedly antagonistic LW groups were openly claiming credit for getting them elected -- true or not -- and openly wanted her taken out.

[Celerity]

38. fair points, and as much as it may surprise you, I have often enjoyed our colloquies

You post in good faith, and even if we disagree on certain things, I respect that.

[W_HAMILTON]

44. I see a lot of EX-representatives on that list.

A lot of good it did them, huh?

[honest.abe]

2. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats Nancy and all the Dems who voted yes!!

[Lovie777]

3. Yay . . .

[vanlassie]

4. 💃💃💃💃💃💃💃💃

[gademocrat7]

6. Yes!!

[Walleye]

7. Who is the GOP Karen speaking now? Hell no?

[honest.abe]

12. She was totally out of order with that ugly performance.

[rainin]

17. OMG! So smug and self-important! Ugh!! n/t

[Walleye]

19. Did she tell the speaker she wanted to speak to the manager?

[Hotler]

8. Go team...

[mucifer]

9. I'm enjoying watching the whiney republican complaining the house is not

in order while casting her already lost vote.

[SheltieLover]

10. Awesome!!!

[Takket]

11. Your move Sinema/Manchin

[honest.abe]

13. I think we got this.

They will fall in line with some grumbling.

[mitch96]

26. I hope we don't hear about the gruesome twosome any more..nt

[Amishman]

43. yup, passing the house first though does add some pressure to them

might end up with a few more changes, but I think we will actually get there.

[Botany]

14. +1

[FakeNoose]

15. Awesome! Thank you Democrats and liberal independents

Repukes can go blow their noses.

[Walleye]

16. Republicans prolonging their misery with more motion to reconsider. They can't take no for an answer

[malaise]

18. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

BFD!

[honest.abe]

20. So where are those who were claiming this bill would not even pass the House once BIF passed?

There were completely wrong.

[FoxNewsSucks]

36. Seems that progressives weren't in the way after all.

[Kaleva]

51. Busy moving the goalposts.

[PatSeg]

22. When Pelosi makes a promise,

you can take it to the bank! She is amazing!

[Wounded Bear]

23. Nobody counts and whips votes like Nancy...

[PatSeg]

25. A true American hero and role model!

We need more smilies!

[Hortensis]

28. She famous for it! Took over a year to pass a comprehensive ACA

bill through both houses, with it pronounced dead in the senate various times along the way and calls in her own party to cut much further to some core basics that could pass in the senate, but she refused the calls, and they finally did it. Her extremely key role is why some who were there privately admiringly called the ACA Pelosicare.

Former Senate majority leader Harry Reid: "Well, I had my doubts a time or two. The Obamacare, it had failed so many times. Oh, gee, so many times."

Nancy to the press in January 2010 after after the devastating MA election filled Ted Kennedy's seat with a Republican and lost our 60-Democrat filibuster-proof majority:

"We will go through the gate. If the gate is closed, we will go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we will pole vault in. If that doesn't work, we will parachute in. But we are going to get healthcare reform passed for the American people..."

John Boehner, laughing out loud at attempts to mischaracterize Pelosi as anything but a lifelong progressive firebrand: "Take one of the most liberal members of the House -- from San Francisco -- and turn her into a "moderate Democrat." That's hilarious."

[PatSeg]

30. What an extraordinary legacy she will be leaving behind her

Hopefully some of the younger Democrats in congress are now appreciating what an amazing woman she is.

[Hortensis]

35. They should! She's what some of those want to be but hadn't realized.

She actually admires some things about the hardest pushers and disrupters, recognizing something of herself in them.

Of course, the enormous power of speaker of a Democratic majority requires her to focus on getting the most passed that she can for everyone, not just what she would want, and not all of them may be interested in that role. (Lol, thinking of Nina Turner's seeing even the original Biden Plan as "half a bowl of shit." Not in this lifetime! (Even if she did manage to get to congress again.) )

Nancy Pelosi: "When you come in, cross that door, take that oath, you have to be oriented toward results. Have confidence in what you believe in, have humility to listen to somebody else, because you're not a one-person show. This is the Congress of the United States."

"Getting results means accepting the highest, boldest common demoninator."

[PatSeg]

39. "Have humility to listen to somebody else"

She has been amazingly patient, but firm with the newbies and I think most of them are finally getting it. You have to combine those great ideals and goals with legislative skills that work and be willing to compromise to achieve your goals. Some of them got off on a bad foot by going after Pelosi and other Democrats, but the Speaker understood. Any one of her five children could have warned them!

[Hortensis]

47. I sure hope so, Pat.

I was shocked at people who called for those they thought were their kind in congress to kill both infrastructure bills entirely rather than accept further compromises. They didn't care about the many millions they would cause real harm to or the bad faith betrayal of 80 million people who voted for Democrats to come through for them. Above all, it was stunning that they could imagine anyone had the right to do such a dreadful thing. This is extremism.

Mercifully, the leaders they admire most disappointed them. Nancy's passionately denied the numerous comparisons of them with the Republicans' extremist Freedom Caucus, defending her Democrats as completely dissimilar. But former speaker Boehner, whose working life the Freedom Caucus made a misery with their ruthless attemps to get power at the expense of everything else and their famous all-or-nothing sabotages, wasn't so sure.

Boehner in Madam Speaker: "What we went through in 2012 and 2010 with the so-called Tea Party, she (Pelosi) went through in 2016 and 2018, Boehner told me. She might reject the parallels, but he recognized them. "I've watched it for a long time, but, yeah, she's got her hands full."

So here we are. Clarion-calling for unity. The public position of tough, determined Democratic leaders is that they couldn't have done it without the good work of these wonderful members, Pelosi still admires them, if anything even more!, and Boehner's still chuckling sympathetically.

I really hope you and Nancy turn out to be right. They're talented, they're in position to help make lots of good trouble along with their colleagues, they haven't done anything approaching 2016. One thing we know, Pelosi's doing everything she can to make her defense turn out to be correct and put Boehner's cynical observations in the past.

[PatSeg]

48. I am trying to be optimistic

though I'm not sure all of them have come around yet. At least their leader, Congresswoman Jayapal, has started to be more reasonable. Hopefully, her caucus will follow her example. I can see the parallels that Boehner was trying to make with the Tea Party nuts, but I think the Democratic "squad" isn't nearly as extreme and of course, Pelosi is a far better Speaker.

Some of them have done and said things that I've had a problem overlooking, but I'm trying to judge them on what they do now and in the future. That doesn't mean I'm going to forget things like booing Hillary Clinton or voting against the infrastructure bill to make a point, but I will give them credit when they actually work to help pass meaningful legislation. And hopefully, they can try to moderate some of their public comments that end up damaging the Democrats in the polls and upcoming elections. Publicity stunts might make cute memes on social media, but it makes it look like the Democratic party isn't a serious party. Our adversaries just use those stunts against the party as a whole.

Meanwhile, it appears that many of them are learning the hard way and surprise, surprise, Joe Biden has turned out to be the progressive president they said they wanted. It is just HE knows what he's doing and how to get things done!

[Hortensis]

49. :) Same here. And that last is a plus also in that most

Progressives who vote (!) are realistic and sincere progressive Democrats who really are glad of what they're part of these days.

This hopefully should be significantly weakening the influence and apparent size of the radicalized fringe who must always see Democrats as failing everyone, even if they have to constantly reinterpret reality to maintain their delusions.

I'm also hoping actions of this administration and congress will enable America to once again see the liberal Democratic Party as what we really are instead of what our opponents say we are. Grand aspiration!

[PatSeg]

50. Yes, we can hope

Though I'm learning to take it all one day at a time. I still have trouble believing that so many Americans haven't seen through the republican party. What else do these clowns have to do to make people realize they are corrupt, dishonest, and totally incompetent? It is really disturbing.

Oh well, today was a good day, if we forget about the Rittenhouse verdict! There will be more good days to come.

[Hortensis]

54. Yes it was (except and let's forget that)!

Let's face it, the decades-long efforts to confuse and deceive people into thinking Democrats are as bad as Republicans work. Disaffected people who see Republicans are corrupt and incompetent believe we're just a variation of the same. No excuses for them, just the reality.

My notion is that at very least people with the sense to want functional government that serves them need to know they have a decent, functional, un-crazy choice on the liberal side. And this administration may finally be a turning point. For the life of me I can't see how anyone sane enough to know which orifice the spoon goes in can miss an important difference between those who give small children universal pre-K with those who put them in cages.

Thanks for the reminder that this is a good day. I was feeling good but forgot why for a while.

[PatSeg]

57. To more good days!

[betsuni]

53. Last quote: mischaracterizing lifelong progressives as moderate/centrist/establishment/neoliberal

Ridiculous.

[Hortensis]

55. Lol, oh yeah. He knew. They alternated being warring speakers and

minority leaders on the far sides of a pathologically inimical ideological spectrum for some years.

Nancy describing her job: "Every day I'm like, 'Don a sit of armor, put on your brass knuckles, eat nails for breakfaste, and go out there and stop them from taking children out of the arms of their parents, food out of the mouths of babies. I mean, it's just the way it is."

[spicysista]

24. Yay!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. Yeah

Link to tweet

[Cha]

52. Rt TY!!

[UCmeNdc]

29. K&R

[pandr32]

33. Wonderful morning news!

I think I will keep my smile going for hours.
Nancy Pelosi, you are the best!
I am proud to be a Democrat.

[Politicub]

34. That's great news!

Now, it's up to the Senate Dems to do their part.

[Magoo48]

40. Good!

[malaise]

41. Nice birthday present

for tomorrow

[Upthevibe]

42. Great News!!!!

Thank you, Madam Speaker

[iluvtennis]

45. Fantastic news!

[applegrove]

46. .

[Beaverhausen]

56. Kicking as a reminder of how happy we were this morning