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dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:17 PM Nov 2021

The Newest Texans Are Not Who You Think They Are

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/newest-texans-who-are-they/

The Newest Texans Are Not Who You Think They Are
The record influx of recent arrivals from all over might be exactly what the state needs. That includes Californians. (And no, they’re not turning Texas blue.)
By Tom Foster | December 2021

...

Whatever their ethnicities, Californians are coming to Texas in much higher numbers than are migrants from any other state. In 2019 about 42 percent of net domestic immigrants came from California. For all the hyperventilating about Californians ruining certain Texas cities, however, the fastest-growing parts of the state owe much of their growth to Texans shuffling around from city to city. In fact, a primary reason Texas is growing so fast is that we tend to stick around as compared to natives of other states, meaning there’s less out-migration to offset the in-migration. About 82 percent of people born in Texas still live here, making it the so-called stickiest state in the country.

Bill Fulton, director of the Kinder Institute for Urban Research at Rice University, in Houston, points out that “basically all the population growth is in the Texas Triangle,” the relatively tight space defined by the Dallas–Fort Worth, Houston, and Austin–San Antonio regions. He recently wrote a book with former San Antonio mayor Henry Cisneros, “and we found that the Texas Triangle favorably compared to virtually all other mega-regions in the U.S., including Southern California and the Northeast Corridor. It is a true economic powerhouse.”

That’s just one of the ways Texas’s population growth is changing the landscape. In the booming cities, Fulton points out, the influx of a young professional class has led to a flowering of high-rise and mid-rise apartment buildings, as well as multiunit home lots. At the same time, suburbs have become more diverse than they were in the days of white flight from urban neighborhoods, in the sixties, in part because today gentrifying city neighborhoods are edging out non-white residents. Rural and small-town Texas, meanwhile, is shrinking. In fact, 142 of the state’s 254 counties are declining in population, some of them precipitously. Schleicher County, between San Angelo and Sonora, lost 29 percent of its population in ten years, the steepest drop in the state.

The diversification of the suburbs could fundamentally alter the political map by changing reliable Republican standbys to perennial toss-ups. Dying small towns carry less electoral weight. Gerrymandering of districts, now pursued as avidly by Republicans as it once was by Democrats, will continue to redraw electoral maps to maintain the current political order. But at some point, likely soon, the old assumptions will simply no longer hold true, and the keys to winning Texas will change.





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The Newest Texans Are Not Who You Think They Are (Original Post) dalton99a Nov 2021 OP
Why anyone would move to TX is beyond the pale! PortTack Nov 2021 #1
If you like warm weather.... TheRealNorth Nov 2021 #9
I like warmer weather, but I would prefer to be in the cold with a functioning power grid PortTack Nov 2021 #16
Jobs, jobs, jobs and cheaper housing JCMach1 Nov 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author JCMach1 Nov 2021 #13
The housing markets in DFW are outta control MagickMuffin Nov 2021 #2
Almost 0 affordable housing JCMach1 Nov 2021 #14
DFW....Dallas Fort Worth...(Texas)..for those who do not know ..DFW....took me a moment to interpert Stuart G Nov 2021 #21
I guess the new arrivals to Texas, don't know about the power grid problems! Omnipresent Nov 2021 #3
We definitely need change so I welcome it. walkingman Nov 2021 #4
What is the political impact? Stinky The Clown Nov 2021 #5
Within a few years, the Hispanic population in Texas will be larger than the Caucasian population GregariousGroundhog Nov 2021 #8
Well, based on 2020.... TheRealNorth Nov 2021 #10
Yep, they were quite successful in the Valley with the lies about "Open Borders" dalton99a Nov 2021 #11
Yes, but there is a huge demographic change happening, religious-wise, with American Hispanics. Celerity Nov 2021 #15
+1. Many are Dominionists and have the zeal of the newly converted dalton99a Nov 2021 #23
They are imbedded and have set up RNC Community Centers in every town. LeftInTX Nov 2021 #19
This is what people are missing. Diablo del sol Nov 2021 #18
If you move to Texas for the lower taxes, you're probably not a Democrat... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #6
If I owned both Hell and Texas... DenaliDemocrat Nov 2021 #7
Of the three families I know who left CA eissa Nov 2021 #17
That has been my experience. Diablo del sol Nov 2021 #20
Another new word ..learned today.."commiefornia" Did you just make that up..Never heard it before? Stuart G Nov 2021 #22
No, it's one often used by conservatives here eissa Nov 2021 #24
Started gaining traction during the Newsom recall attempt. haele Nov 2021 #26
A friend and his husband moved to Texas last year. KentuckyWoman Nov 2021 #25

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
9. If you like warm weather....
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 01:18 PM
Nov 2021

But don't want to live in FL and don't want to pay the high housing costs in CA, and don't want to deal with 110+ heat in AZ.

TX is not for me, but I don't fault people if they don't like snow.

PortTack

(32,778 posts)
16. I like warmer weather, but I would prefer to be in the cold with a functioning power grid
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 12:34 AM
Nov 2021

Period!!

I could not deal with all the craziness either...give me the cold any day!

Response to PortTack (Reply #1)

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
2. The housing markets in DFW are outta control
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:27 PM
Nov 2021


Communities are popping up everywhere and these are expensive communities.


I use to shoot real estate homes covering DFW and beyond. I was in amazement at how much growth is happening here. And with that growth our highway systems cannot keep up with the traffic.


Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
21. DFW....Dallas Fort Worth...(Texas)..for those who do not know ..DFW....took me a moment to interpert
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:22 AM
Nov 2021

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
5. What is the political impact?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:35 PM
Nov 2021

Just taking California transplants as an example - they could be liberal and able to effect some change to the Tejas electorate or they could be conservatives fleeing the liberal areas on California.

GregariousGroundhog

(7,525 posts)
8. Within a few years, the Hispanic population in Texas will be larger than the Caucasian population
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:54 PM
Nov 2021

Nationally, the Hispanic population favors Democrats over Republicans by about a two to one margin. The Republican party generally hasn't been kind to Hispanics at the national level, but I cannot say what goes on at the local level in Texas. It wouldn't surprise me if Republicans calculate they need to at least tolerate Hispanics or if conservative leaning Hispanics at some point take control of the party at a county level.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
10. Well, based on 2020....
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 01:19 PM
Nov 2021

The MAGATS are working hard to bamboozle enough Hispanics by exploiting social media and radio.

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
11. Yep, they were quite successful in the Valley with the lies about "Open Borders"
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 01:25 PM
Nov 2021

and "Defund the Police"


Celerity

(43,416 posts)
15. Yes, but there is a huge demographic change happening, religious-wise, with American Hispanics.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:12 PM
Nov 2021

So many are going fundie evangelical that they are now the fastest growing ethnic group for evangelicals, and these converts are far more conservative and likely to vote Rethug.

For the first time ever, less than half of US Hispanics are now Catholic, the first ever for any large Hispanic population on the planet. Let that sink in.


In 2014, 11% of US evangelicals were Latino. 1 or 2 years ago it was up to 19%. Likely easily over 20% now. Thousands of small evangelical seed churches are being systematically set up by Latinos. The whole thing is being driven by the younger cohorts, not a bunch of ageing Boomers who are deciding to go hardcore con in religion and politics.

I did an OP on this.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215725110


The Fastest-Growing Group of American Evangelicals

A new generation of Latino Protestants is poised to transform our religious and political landscapes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/07/latinos-will-determine-future-american-evangelicalism/619551/



In 2007, when Obe and Jacqueline Arellano were in their mid-20s, they moved from the suburbs of Chicago to Aurora, Illinois, with the dream of starting a church. They chose Aurora, a midsize city with about 200,000 residents, mostly because about 40 percent of its population is Latino. Obe, a first-generation Mexican American pastor, told me, “We sensed God wanted us there.” By 2010, the couple had “planted a church,” the Protestant term for starting a brand-new congregation. This summer, the Arellanos moved to Long Beach, California, to pastor at Light & Life Christian Fellowship, which has planted 20 churches in 20 years. Their story is at once singular and representative of national trends: Across the United States, more Latino pastors are founding churches than ever before, a trend that challenges conventional views of evangelicalism and could have massive implications for the future of American politics.

Latinos are leaving the Catholic Church and converting to evangelical Protestantism in increased numbers, and evangelical organizations are putting more energy and resources toward reaching potential Latino congregants. Latinos are the fastest-growing group of evangelicals in the country, and Latino Protestants, in particular, have higher levels of religiosity—meaning they tend to go to church, pray, and read the Bible more often than both Anglo Protestants and Latino Catholics, according to Mark Mulder, a sociology professor at Calvin University and a co-author of Latino Protestants in America. At the same time, a major demographic shift is under way. Arellano, who supports Light & Life’s Spanish-speaking campus, Luz y Vida, told me, “By 2060, the Hispanic population in the United States is expected to grow from 60 million to over 110 million.” None of this is lost on either Latino or Anglo evangelical leadership: They know they need to recruit and train Latino pastors if they’re going to achieve what Arellano describes as “our vision to see that the kingdom of God will go forward and reach more people and get into every nook and cranny of society.”

The stakes of intensified Latino evangelicalism are manifold, and they depend on what kind of evangelicalism prevails across the country. The term evangelical has become synonymous with a voting bloc of Anglo cultural conservatives, but in general theological terms, evangelicals are Christians who believe in the supremacy of the Bible and that they are compelled to spread its gospel. Some Christians who identify with the theological definition fit the political stereotype, but others don’t. That’s true among evangelical Latino leaders too—they have very different interpretations of how the teachings of Jesus Christ call them to act. Every pastor I spoke with told me that they want to see more Latino pastors in leadership positions, and they each had a different take on what new Latino leadership could mean for the future of evangelicalism. When we spoke over the phone, Samuel Rodriguez, the president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and the pastor of New Season Worship, in Sacramento, California, told me, “We’re not extending our hand out, asking, ‘Can you help us plant churches?’ We’re coming to primarily white denominations and going, ‘You all need our help.’ This is a flipping of the script.”

Although Latino congregations are too diverse to characterize in shorthand, one of the few declarative statements that can be made about Latino Protestants is a fact borne out with numbers: They are likelier than Latino Catholics to vote Republican. The expansion of Latino evangelicalism bucks assumptions that Democrats and progressives will soon have a clear advantage as the white church declines and the Hispanic electorate rises. “Some counterintuitive things that have happened [in our national politics] would make more sense if we better understood the faith communities that exist within Latinx Protestantism,” Mulder told me over the phone, alluding to the differing perspectives Latinos hold on many issues, including immigration, and how more Latinos voted for former President Donald Trump in 2020 than in 2016. According to the Public Religion Research Institute, Protestant affiliation correlated more with Hispanic approval of Trump’s job in office than age or gender.

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excellent longform article, much more at the top link



There is a link in the article that references the Religious Landscape Study by Pew

in 2014 11% of evangelicals were Latino.



Now, the latest numbers from Pew show it is up to 19% (in less that 7 years)

It is likely over 20% now and growing rapidly, driven by the younger gens,

less than half of Latinos in the US are now Catholic, which is pretty amazing

https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/racial-and-ethnic-composition/latino/

 

Diablo del sol

(424 posts)
18. This is what people are missing.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:06 AM
Nov 2021

As a CA native, not really born in AZ been in CA since I graduated. All the people I know that moved to AZ and TX, conservatives, except for one couple that moved due to a company moving to Texas. That couple hates TX and would trade their bigger house with a pool for the townhouse they had in CA. (They were born in TX and OK) One other couple moved back because TX was too damn crazy even though they are Repubs.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
17. Of the three families I know who left CA
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 12:46 AM
Nov 2021

for Texas, all are conservatives fleeing “commiefornia.” One moved to the suburbs of Dallas, another just outside Houston, and the third to Waco. They all posted pics of their new McMansions courtesy of the bundles they got from their home sales here. Every one of them are so smug in their posts, like they’re punishing CA by leaving, while the rest of us are over here cheering their departures.

That’s why I always find it so curious when states like Texas, Idaho, and others bitch about Californians moving in and changing things. As far as I can tell, most of those moving to those states do so out of a shared ideology.

 

Diablo del sol

(424 posts)
20. That has been my experience.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:19 AM
Nov 2021

And I look at it as a win/win.

Hate CA, I10, I40, I70 East. We are all better off.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
22. Another new word ..learned today.."commiefornia" Did you just make that up..Never heard it before?
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:27 AM
Nov 2021

eissa

(4,238 posts)
24. No, it's one often used by conservatives here
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 11:59 AM
Nov 2021

Particularly in the comments section of our local paper

haele

(12,660 posts)
26. Started gaining traction during the Newsom recall attempt.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:28 PM
Nov 2021

But my son in law's conservative slumlord relatives have been using that term since Brown became governor.
So, like most California "conservatives", they benefit off other people's hard work and money - they get their monthly very comfortable income from rents as a result buying up nearly 50 apartments and condos with the great-grandfather's Post Office supervisor level pension along with his dad's City firefighters pension and disability checks during the S&L crash.
That family never had to worry about working again afterwards, but of course, the horrible commie government that funded all that employment and guaranteed retirement, and provided the easily paid off low fee, low interest loans to initially get that income property when the banks wouldn't loan to them is bad...

Haele

KentuckyWoman

(6,688 posts)
25. A friend and his husband moved to Texas last year.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 12:20 PM
Nov 2021

The husband is some kind of smarty egg head medical something and got a new job in Texas. They struggled to find an apartment at any price at first but now own a home within the "triangle".

My niece in Austin is a nurse not far from retirement age. She's fairly disgusted with how the fairly affluent people in her area have acted during covid. Thinking of giving it all up and join a charity group medical providers that basically live out of RVs and travel with a mobile charity clinic in West Texas.

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