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Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:28 PM Nov 2021

The evidence we have now about the blueprint for Trump's coup attempt is utterly damning




https://www.alternet.org/2021/11/trump-coup-blueprint/

On January 2, Trump lawyer John Eastman called into Steve Bannon's War Room podcast to explain how to steal the election. Eastman told Bannon that Vice President Mike Pence could still overturn Biden's victory. The interview was part of an extremely public campaign by Trump and his closest allies to lobby Pence to steal the election during the certification ceremony.

One of Eastman's crackpot theories was that the vice president has the unilateral power to accept or reject electoral votes at his whim, or failing that, to somehow "send the election back" to Republican-controlled swing state legislatures that would disregard the will of their people and replace Biden's electors with Trump's.

Eastman was Trump's master of self-serving constitutional bafflegab. His job was to spin elaborate pseudo-legal theories to justify Trump's assault on democracy. It was Eastman who wrote the notorious memos outlining his fanciful legal arguments for why the vice president has the power to unilaterally reelect himself. Eastman also co-wrote a blueprint for how Trump could use the military, the police, and criminal gangs to hold onto power after a disputed election. Eastman even spoke at Trump's rally on the Ellipse, making wild allegations of election fraud before Trump set the mob on the Capitol.

To understand January 6, you have to think in terms of an inside game and an outside game. The inside game was to steal the election procedurally. The outside game was to gather a mob to terrorize officials into going along with it. Eastman was a conceptual architect of both the paper coup attempt and of the plan for the political repression that Trumpists expected to follow in the wake of the theft.

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The evidence we have now about the blueprint for Trump's coup attempt is utterly damning (Original Post) Nevilledog Nov 2021 OP
Has Eastman been subpoena'd and why isn't the DOJ indicting these traitors? vlyons Nov 2021 #1
Yes. dalton99a Nov 2021 #5
A part of me wants to say Dan Nov 2021 #7
I don't think we've learned the half of what was going on. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #2
I agree, we don't yet have all the puzzle pieces. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #10
And that's the strategy. Right THERE. calimary Nov 2021 #17
Yep, some of the guilty will be protected and get off the hook. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #20
Double post. Sorry about that. calimary Nov 2021 #18
The inside game, the outside game.... not going to be held accountable soon enough msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #3
I guess same way the Germans did in the early 1930s. triron Nov 2021 #14
I expected better but I guess we're heading down the same road. Make plans. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #23
The critical period for the 1/6 Committee will be September/October 2022. Justice matters. Nov 2021 #21
Most Americans don't care now. Disengaged, burned out or MAGATs. We will see about "harmless", Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #24
I don't see a relation between that trial and the findings of the 1/6 Committee exposed... Justice matters. Nov 2021 #26
Everything that is happening is related/ connected. We are devolving as a civil society rapidly. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #33
Well I feel like that's going to be too late in the game msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #28
The key word here is: "relatively" Justice matters. Nov 2021 #32
Kick dalton99a Nov 2021 #4
The organizing and planning started long BEFORE Chump lost the election FakeNoose Nov 2021 #6
I'm in total agreement. pandr32 Nov 2021 #11
"and the worst president we've ever had" msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #29
If we have evidence why doesn't someone do something about it? blueinredohio Nov 2021 #8
Well, they are going to argue.... TheRealNorth Nov 2021 #9
They knew they lost because they concocted this plan blueinredohio Nov 2021 #12
And they're out there planning their next attempt. And no one is stopping them. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #13
Trump's peers would never tolerate a coup against them. bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #15
Two completely different approaches. DOJ is doing almost nothing. 45 would be a rabid inquisition. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #34
I've no doubt his push to be Speaker is his new path Generic Brad Nov 2021 #16
He can't be Speaker from the golf course. gab13by13 Nov 2021 #19
When will he actually be damned? stage left Nov 2021 #22
Even if Eastman never testifies to the committee, there should be enough evidence Fiendish Thingy Nov 2021 #25
IMO, none of this means shit. Magoo48 Nov 2021 #27
Posted without comment. bullwinkle428 Nov 2021 #30
As if the Georgia phone call to overturn the results weren't enough traitorsgalore Nov 2021 #31
Seriously. We have no accountability. At all. Not seeing it. Ain't happening. Hope I'm wrong. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #35

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
1. Has Eastman been subpoena'd and why isn't the DOJ indicting these traitors?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:35 PM
Nov 2021

I'm not impressed with Garland

Dan

(3,570 posts)
7. A part of me wants to say
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 01:03 PM
Nov 2021

Bring the CIA home, to do the job that they have been doing overseas for years.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
17. And that's the strategy. Right THERE.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:51 PM
Nov 2021

So we’ll never know. Way to claim “plausible deniability”, I guess.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
3. The inside game, the outside game.... not going to be held accountable soon enough
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:40 PM
Nov 2021

Swift judicial accountability is absolutely, 100% critical to preventing the biggest coup since jan 6th attempt to succeed, via up coming elections. At this particular juncture, with the slow walking, side stepping judicial process, and all of the ancillary congrerssional proceedings moving at a snail's pace, I see the window of timely accountability closing quickly.

Hell, Bannon's next hearing is a week or two away and likely to be continued and delayed while Bannon is free to continue planning, plotting and most importantly riling up the base via media platform.

It's just unbearable to watch the remaining embers of our democracy completely turning to cold ash and snuffed out.

How in the hell can we pretend otherwise?





Justice matters.

(6,933 posts)
21. The critical period for the 1/6 Committee will be September/October 2022.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:13 PM
Nov 2021
That's when the public hearings need to be broadcast on teevee.

Give Democratic candidates plenty of opportunities to air ads locally for their election.

Would not be surprising the DOJ will wrap up their secret investigation on co-conspirators during that time too.

In the meantime, let's wait and see, because drumpf and his minions are relatively harmless.

Evolve Dammit

(16,743 posts)
24. Most Americans don't care now. Disengaged, burned out or MAGATs. We will see about "harmless",
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:20 PM
Nov 2021

especially after the Kenosha decision. The judge and jury sent a huge message today.

Justice matters.

(6,933 posts)
26. I don't see a relation between that trial and the findings of the 1/6 Committee exposed...
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:34 PM
Nov 2021
in September & October 2022 (as I presume they will be aired).

Democratic candidates will have plenty of subjects to present to independent swing voters. Like "we need to legislate their recommendations to make sure no other violent assault on our democratic institutions will ever happen again, and the republicans will never vote for them to be coded into law" or something the like.

I think most voters don't want to see another coup attempt by the republicans. Enough of that fascist crap!

If they don't want another violent coup, don't vote republican. Period.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
28. Well I feel like that's going to be too late in the game
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:07 PM
Nov 2021

I do feel as you expressed, the DOJ will quietly wrap up their "secret" investigation about then maybe 6 months before per old policy standards. (6 months before elections) I mean, possibly a presser... but at the end of the day not much in the way of critical accountability by way of serious charges and prosecutions. I truly hope I'm wrong about that. But it's 11 months in now... your mileage may vary, but I'm not optimistic.

I just KNOW you meant the "wait and see" comment as sarcasm. because I just KNOW you do not regard drumpf and his minions as: "relatively harmless" .......

amirite?!




Justice matters.

(6,933 posts)
32. The key word here is: "relatively"
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:37 PM
Nov 2021

The orange terrorist can issue any crazy BS like he did before (although he lost Twitter), but he is not in power, doesn't command the army, nor anything the like. He's caused an unprecedented increase of the national debt by a woozy EIGHT TRILLIONS in 4 years, and mismanaged a deadly pandemic that caused SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSANDS preventable deaths by lying, calling it a HOAX...

His batshit crazy insurrectionists will not assault Congress for months now, seeing how their fellow traitors are ending in jail, like the idiot shaman (who said he hates drumpf now: how many others hate him for letting his goons do prison time while their terrorist leader walks away free going golfing??).

So, until the Committee finishes its job and the DOJ follows through (or the other way around), they are "relatively" harmless.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
6. The organizing and planning started long BEFORE Chump lost the election
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:52 PM
Nov 2021

Chump already knew by early summer 2020 that he was gong to lose in November. That's when his "Stop the Steal" plans were getting cooked up. If we look back on his campaign speeches from last year, Chump was already talking about how it was all "rigged" even before Biden won the Democratic Party nomination. After Biden became the Nominee, Chump's talk about "rigging" went into high gear.

How can someone who's supposedly in charge of the government, claim that the election will be "rigged"? Isn't it his job to see that it's NOT rigged? Does it mean he can't do his job? What if he were to win the election, does mean he rigged it to win?

There are so many questions!

Everything points to Chump being a criminal, a traitor, and the worst president we've ever had.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
29. "and the worst president we've ever had"
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:13 PM
Nov 2021


I agree. I remember when I used to say that about dumbya Matter of fact we all did. Couldn't have imagined then, that Bush would be out topped as the worst president ever. Because Bush clearly was in over his head. And his cabinet were right there with him.

yet the unthinkable happened. and it could happen again.


TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
9. Well, they are going to argue....
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 01:13 PM
Nov 2021

That they "believed" the election was stolen, and that challenging the slate of electors was within their rights.

So you have to.be able to prove:
1) they knew that they legimately lost and attempted to subvert the election process
2) or that they engaged in criminal activity in the process of planning for Jan 6th, or responding to the events on Jan 6th.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
12. They knew they lost because they concocted this plan
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 01:27 PM
Nov 2021

in case they lost. If they legitimately won they wouldn't have carried out the plan. They wouldn't have to. What's the difference in this coup and someone hiring a hit man who was an undercover cop? They didn't commit the crime yet they just planned it.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
16. I've no doubt his push to be Speaker is his new path
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:19 PM
Nov 2021

Imagine if that happens. Immediately he will be saying “That’s a nice President and Vice President you have there. It would be a shame if something happened to them .”

Don’t doubt for a moment that is his new plan to retake the White House.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
25. Even if Eastman never testifies to the committee, there should be enough evidence
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:23 PM
Nov 2021

To make a criminal referral to DOJ once the committee finishes its final report sometime next year.

Getting those smaller fish to flip will be critical- hopefully they are among some of the 150 the committee has already interviewed behind closed doors.

Magoo48

(4,717 posts)
27. IMO, none of this means shit.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:39 PM
Nov 2021

It has a potential for consequential meaning if it is followed through on.

Color me skeptical. So until such time as some meaningful results unfold.

I say—so fuckin’ what?



traitorsgalore

(1,396 posts)
31. As if the Georgia phone call to overturn the results weren't enough
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:11 PM
Nov 2021

Treason abounds, justice is something we're told to wait for until it's "off the table".

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