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vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:46 PM Nov 2021

I hate to suggest this but I feel its needed

Little murderer gets off. Signals now that they'll start carrying and possibly hunting protesters, anyone of different color, basically anyone that isn't right, white and fucking fascist.

But I know how many here don't care for guns and such. But I think the time has come where we need to start to carry even in public. I know its jumping to an extreme and going down to their level. Hell I've been there for a bit with carrying on me and in my car. But I sadly believe this is the only thing to protect ourselves from these people now. Words won't matter when they can just shoot you without much trouble.

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I hate to suggest this but I feel its needed (Original Post) vercetti2021 Nov 2021 OP
Consider Pantagruel Nov 2021 #1
BINGO. My thoughts exactly. secondwind Nov 2021 #3
Not saying I would shoot first vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #7
You have to be willing to shoot first Ex Lurker Nov 2021 #26
I have always said that the 2nd Amendment is a national suicide pact in the long run Celerity Nov 2021 #28
Pass. nt Tommy Carcetti Nov 2021 #2
Yeah, me too. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2021 #43
Don't know, but I've thought about going into a gun shop and saying LT Barclay Nov 2021 #4
Anti-maskers are a threat. They protest too. Cobalt Violet Nov 2021 #5
Does protecting yourself from catching covid 19 from anti maskers pink Nov 2021 #22
That seems to be where justice is at in the USA. Cobalt Violet Nov 2021 #24
If the police aren't on our side, the courts aren't on our side, etc... Amishman Nov 2021 #6
Exactly vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #8
Don't attack anyone and most likely no one will shoot you. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #29
I have stickers on my car vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #35
I dislike seeing someone on this site urging others to adopt the ways of the right. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #38
Difference between the right and me vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #44
I thought you were a female. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #45
I am vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #46
Uh, ok. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #48
Or H2Oart Nov 2021 #9
I think it's a good idea for liberals to own guns if Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #10
Fucking fascist pigs I_UndergroundPanther Nov 2021 #11
I agree vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #15
"I'm a target regardless of how feminine I get." BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #30
Because I'm on hormones vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Nov 2021 #12
Would be a bitch to carry vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #13
I used to carry a "flame adjustable" BIC Backseat Driver Nov 2021 #17
Nah, just increase the value of your life insurance policies Backseat Driver Nov 2021 #14
You do know he killed white men, right? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #16
Reason I said anyone not fascist or conservative vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #18
Do you know the criminal history of those men he killed? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #27
Sadly I know vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #32
What was Hubers criminal history Tribetime Nov 2021 #33
Feel free to Google it. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #34
Alright I tried before I asked you that question that's why I asked you Tribetime Nov 2021 #37
The criminal charges and prior history of all those involved is... extensive. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #40
Yeah I found it you are right sorry I couldn't find it the first time I looked Tribetime Nov 2021 #42
Remember the repug motto. Hotler Nov 2021 #19
I will add one vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #20
Let me think about it... demmiblue Nov 2021 #21
That's fine vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #23
I was thinking something similar, not so much open carry ecstatic Nov 2021 #25
They've already made it legal to run over them with your car in some states... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #36
I caution against this with all my heart. KentuckyWoman Nov 2021 #39
The country needs less guns, not more. DLevine Nov 2021 #41
I don't engage in street fights. Steelrolled Nov 2021 #47

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
7. Not saying I would shoot first
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:56 PM
Nov 2021

But sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to shoot back if they shot first. Not so much starting it just protecting myself.

Celerity

(43,416 posts)
28. I have always said that the 2nd Amendment is a national suicide pact in the long run
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:21 PM
Nov 2021

It works in 2 ways, both against us.

1. We cannot win a shooting war with the RW, there are too many of them (tens of millions, armed to the teeth) on balance compared to our side in far too many areas.

2. The fascists, when they attempt the auto-coup, will rely on those millions of fully armed, scientifically programmed and reflexively controlled RW white power thugs to put down the resistance. MAGA Battalions, backed up by LEO's, and if the nation is really going down quickly, the corrupted, compromised Armed Forces and various other sub-federal military organisations.

LT Barclay

(2,606 posts)
4. Don't know, but I've thought about going into a gun shop and saying
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:53 PM
Nov 2021

That I'm there to buy something to protect myself from right wingers. Then keep asking for something bigger and finally say what I want is one of those twin 50 caliber machine guns they used on the WW2 PT boats.
I'd love to get the reaction on hidden camera.

pink

(497 posts)
22. Does protecting yourself from catching covid 19 from anti maskers
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:50 PM
Nov 2021

count as self defense. Is it legal to gun them down with an assault rifle.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
6. If the police aren't on our side, the courts aren't on our side, etc...
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:56 PM
Nov 2021

what do we have left to protect us? ourselves and each other.

That being said, a gun is not the only option. tasers, pepper spray, and others are probably good ideas to own if one is not comfortable with the idea of guns.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
8. Exactly
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:00 PM
Nov 2021

I've had guns for a long time now and the past few years it's gotten to the point where I started carrying on me. Either kill or be killed now. And I'd frankly rather live

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
29. Don't attack anyone and most likely no one will shoot you.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:24 PM
Nov 2021

Do you seriously think someone will somehow know you’re a Dem and come out of nowhere to cap you?

Good lord almighty. What a way to live.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
35. I have stickers on my car
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:36 PM
Nov 2021

They'll know. It's not a way to live to be safe. Again why are you riding me on all my posts so hard?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
38. I dislike seeing someone on this site urging others to adopt the ways of the right.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:39 PM
Nov 2021

Yeah! Let’s all open carry! Yeah! Hell yeah. Woof!

Testosterone is poison. Hence Rittenhouse and his victiims…all male. Stupidity.
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vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
44. Difference between the right and me
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:05 PM
Nov 2021

I don't have a need to flash it in public to make my dick look huge. I keep all of them safely stored and one in the locked box in my car. I'm not an idiot like they are. Thats the difference between the two

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
45. I thought you were a female.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:10 PM
Nov 2021

Color me confused.

I’m a woman and whether I carry a gun or not has nothing to do with my genitals.

But your post was that we should all open carry, so I’m all confused.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
46. I am
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:13 PM
Nov 2021

But I'm a transwoman. It's them that feel compelled to carry in public to flash their toxic masculinity. That's what I mean.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
48. Uh, ok.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:27 PM
Nov 2021

But you now feel the need to do the same?

My genital size, despite that not being important to me lol, is in no way affected by any weapons I might own. Females don’t have this insecurity.

You started this thread claiming we should all open carry. That’s just not something I will ever feel the need to do.

Somebody who needs to carry a gun actually makes me think they might be a bit under endowed, lol.

 

H2Oart

(97 posts)
9. Or
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:01 PM
Nov 2021

Or, what this does, may just backfire on this kid. We know there are “gun advocates” on both sides of the political spectrum. Now, I believe this kid has a “target” on him. If he shows at protests, he will be video tapes out his ass. He may even become a “targeted protester” himself.

I think this needs to be a MAJOR CALL TO VOTE. As we see infrastructure passes, build back better passed house, injustice, white supremacy abound… I hope..HOPE AND MOTIVATE.. our party young and old to vote, and I want to hear from our reps… get out and spread the words, confront ANY REPUBLICAN WHO IS CLAIMING INFRASTRUCTURE WIN AS THEIR OWN. We know they didn’t vote for it.

Haggard Celine

(16,847 posts)
10. I think it's a good idea for liberals to own guns if
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:02 PM
Nov 2021

they learn how to use them and own them safely. I don't think it's a good idea for anyone other than cops to carry them around everywhere they go. I know it's legal in a lot of places, but I don't agree with it.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
11. Fucking fascist pigs
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:03 PM
Nov 2021

Being transgender I fear I would become a target for maga turds.

The republicans hate most people.

They want to murder because sociopath bullies will look out for each other.

Please pass the voters rights act NOW. Or we might have a genocide vigilante situation happening here.

Tell manchin if he wont pass the voters act,and clings to the filibuster

Its time to ask him if he's a closet republican or fascist or a rethug mole.
Its worth asking because he gets in the way everytime the filibuster is threatened,or Biden wants to help middle class and poor people that are not upper class greedy assholes.

He even claimed the reason the bbb bill should not be too generous because he believed it would make suffering people get an entitlement mentality.

That is a core belief of repukes. He thinks just like a republican.

Its time to ask those uncomfortable questions.
Maybe publically.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
15. I agree
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:11 PM
Nov 2021

I'm trans too. I'm a target regardless of how feminine I get which is looking fabulous right now. But this trans can shoot and I wouldn't hesitate to keep myself alive. I'm a fighter.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
30. "I'm a target regardless of how feminine I get."
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:30 PM
Nov 2021

I’ve been a female since birth, and if you think being female makes you LESS of a target, you need some education.

But wow, congrats on the “fabulous” part.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
31. Because I'm on hormones
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:34 PM
Nov 2021

It is transforming my body to be more feminine. But why are you riding me so hard? Like I need education? I know women have it hard I'm not stupid to not know women have shit thrown at them constantly. But transwoman being essentially the devils spawn. I could be killed just for that alone. Not just being a woman. But being trans.

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Backseat Driver

(4,393 posts)
17. I used to carry a "flame adjustable" BIC
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:32 PM
Nov 2021

turned up all the way, but those don't really have the range of a handgun, etc...DH once had his traveler's Buck knife confiscated at the Canadian border - it was returned when we did, LOL!

My state law has embraced "Stand Your Ground" and a bill re licensing, your apparent choice, on CCW too, coming soon. Yep, can't wait as my community has also embraced DORA bracelet sales (approved open carry of alcohol during recreational community events/days at certain street locations) as well...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ohio-house-approves-bill-allowing-concealed-carry-without-permit/ar-AAQRZ1V


Backseat Driver

(4,393 posts)
14. Nah, just increase the value of your life insurance policies
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:10 PM
Nov 2021

and assign appropriate beneficiaries (Can you get an uninsured shooter clause?), make a LW&T and advance directives, medical POA, and sufficient healthcare insurance with parity for mental/physical situations - These documents and costs of best preparation, I suppose, are also subject to currency inflation along with best advertising costs of expert estate planners? Then BE BRAVE, own your faith (as you define it) and make sure you're not in the wrong place at the wrong time. In addition, be sure you're a better shot, I guess???

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
16. You do know he killed white men, right?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:18 PM
Nov 2021

Since you said “anyone of a different color” I wasn’t sure.

And no, I don’t plan to start carrying in public. You do you.

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
40. The criminal charges and prior history of all those involved is... extensive.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:00 PM
Nov 2021

Pretty much everyone involved had an extensive history. Domestic abuse, domestic violence, kidnapping, rape, child abuse, sexually assaulting children, attempted murder, weapons charges galore, drunk driving, you name it.

They didn't deserve to be executed, but there's a good reason the prosecution didn't bring "Character" into the trial.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
25. I was thinking something similar, not so much open carry
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:07 PM
Nov 2021

but those of us who have the stomach for it definitely need to arm up and fight fire with fire. Sadly.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
36. They've already made it legal to run over them with your car in some states...
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:38 PM
Nov 2021

We're morphing into a comic book universe full of vigilante "justice."

Scary times coming.

KentuckyWoman

(6,688 posts)
39. I caution against this with all my heart.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:54 PM
Nov 2021

I will shoot food, am a better shot than most and have shot food many times in my life. As far as humans, in a test range I tend to make faster, more accurate decisions on what is a threat than most and my aim is excellent. I don't get flustered. Twice in younger life I have been in a situation but managed to de-escalate and avoid the need. Thankfully.

The truth is, I doubt I could kill someone to save my own skin. It would have to be an extra-ordinary circumstance where the lives of other defenseless people were immediately in the balance. Even then, I think I would hesitate.

Even when justified in the eyes of a jury under the laws as written pulling that trigger puts a hell of a crimp in a person's life. Even more so if they decide against you. So you'd better be sure.

What I am saying is if you are going to carry, you'd better be well practiced and know your limits. You have to be honest with yourself about what you will or will not do in the moment. Most people are far better off avoiding the situation in the first place. Think long and hard about it because once someone is dead, there's no going back.



 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
47. I don't engage in street fights.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:19 PM
Nov 2021

There was a street fight that night in Wisconsin and guns were involved. No one should have died from it, but they were playing a dangerous game.

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