Just wondering about Joe's future.

[Tomconroy]

To my mind all of the hit pieces on VP Harris this weekend might have been the opening salvos of the 2024 campaign. They were launched by somebody.
Joe Biden's my man. I thought he was the only Democrat who could defeat Mr. Orange. But 2022 doesn't look great. The hightwater mark of his first term.
Will he really be interested in a second term. Even if only BBB is the last major piece of legislation he will have accomplished a lot. He saved the economy, passed the first infrastructure bill in decades, signed all the programs in the BBB into law and I even bet Covid will be brought under control while he is President. It will be quite a record. He's no kid. So maybe he thinks he will have accomplished what he set out to do.
I acknowledge he might feel that he has to protect us from the ass clown and decide to run again, but the country and the party can make demands on him. He's been too good.
I guess we will find out.

[greenjar_01]

1. ...

Is anybody buying this shit?

[orangecrush]

2. Nope.

[live love laugh]

3. +1

[Baked Potato]

4. No. Nt

[Tomconroy]

5. Whoever launched the coordinated press attack on the VP last weekend

Is buying it.

[greenjar_01]

8. ROFL

Keep trying.

[BlueIdaho]

27. You mean the Republicans?

Please…

[Tomconroy]

28. Think about what might happen in 2024 if President Biden decides not to run.

Please, try thinking.

[BlueIdaho]

33. Ditto Sport.

Try thinking.

[Tomconroy]

34. Poof

[BlueIdaho]

35. Butt Hurt?

Poof.

[Kingofalldems]

16. Not me.

[Drunken Irishman]

6. I think he runs because he'll likely be the best shot at holding the White House.

[womanofthehills]

31. His poll numbers dropped again from last week

This is very worrisome.

Biden's approval dips to 36 percent in new Quinnipiac poll

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/582109-bidens-approval-dips-to-36-percent-in-new-quinnipiac-poll

[peggysue2]

37. And you know what Biden's response was to a question about his poll numbers?

"That's not why I ran for the Presidency."

Unlike the former occupant/squatter, Joe Biden came into office with a vision and an agenda to change the course of American policy and repair the damage Trump and his minions had exacted on the body politic. The man has been in office for less than a year and worked feverishly to do just that. Whatever happens in 2022/2024, our president will be working, pushing and enacting a new framework for the benefit of the American people. Not out of vanity or greed or a lust for power but to improve the lives of ordinary American citizens, those who support him and even those who do not.

So we can worry ourselves into nervous nellies, a long, proud Democratic tradition. Or we can support the man, the agenda and work like mad for the next election and the one after that to bring Biden's vision into a full reality.

We're at an inflection point. Will we embrace the future or scurry to our hidey-holes and sing woe is me?

Things will never be perfect in this country or any other because there are no angels on the planet. But we can strive to be better versions of ourselves and inspire others, work for a better future and reject the nihilism of our opponents.

No guarantees, of course. But it's a fight well worth fighting for because the alternative is unthinkable.

[treestar]

45. great post

[Drunken Irishman]

38. We're either going to win or lose with Biden or lose with someone else.

Biden absolutely, positively will give Democrats the best chance of winning in 2024. If he loses, no Democrat would have won.

[Polybius]

43. If he doesn't run, who would even be the frontrunner?

Who do we have that could win?

[treestar]

44. what are they going to be a year from now?

what campaigning are your going to do to convince people to vote for him and to think for themselves no matter what the pundits say?

[oldsoftie]

7. "Hit pieces" HERE? I havent seen any

Although i dont catch EVERY story on DU.
Now if you refer to concerns over her viability as the candidate for '24, thats a legitimate concern today. To ignore that is folly.

[Tomconroy]

9. There were about four of them in separate news sources last

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Weekend. They didn't appear by accident. I am absolutely not referring to threads on DU.

[brooklynite]

21. You think that people post stories HERE with the intent of influencing national elections?

[Tomconroy]

22. No. I know they feed them to reporters in DC to influence

Things. You don't understand what I'm saying.
The most famous example of this that I can think of was an article in the Saturday Evening Post in Nov
1962 coauthored by Charles Bartlett. It was all about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It was long, it was annonymously sourced, featured a lot of insider detail and completely trashed Adlai Stevenson. It helped a lot to know the source of the article if you knew one little fact: Charlie Bartlett was the man who introduced Jack Kennedy to his future wife Jacqueline. Jack and Charlie went back a long, long way. Some people thought that Adlai Stevenson never recovered from that article.
Four hit pieces in the national press on the same weekend don't write themselves. They have a source.

[TheRealNorth]

24. Yes

There is a reason Republicans target online Democratic communities with bullshit and attack ads. To cause disengagement and self-suppress the vote (ie. A pox on both houses).

Fling a lot of shit and everyone tires of it and disengages. I wish we had a the artificial AI to flood the online Republican zones with mountains of shit.

[Celerity]

32. They do not waste time on small forums like this. Maybe 15 years ago, but not now.

There are probably some deluded old lone wolf type RW trolls with a decade plus of obessive butthurt and grievance built up, but they are sad little meaningless pissants.

Social media dwarfs this place and every other old school forum for either side.

Most people here will vote no matter what. It is barren ground for any sort of impactful voter suppression ops. This is an older age cohort-skewing board, the least likely type to change sides and/or not vote.

[Tomconroy]

36. And then throw this little tidbit into the mix:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/ashley-etienne-kamala-harris/index.html

[Caliman73]

11. The OP is talking about the hit pieces all over the mainstream and right wing media.

Stories about the horrible border crisis (there is none), the DYSFUNCTION in the VP's office (zzz), the right wing ramping up the racist attacks (that's just what they do), CNN breathlessly discussing every troubling turn for Harris, etc...

That is what the OP is referring to.

[Tomconroy]

17. Actually there were two pieces in Politico, one on CNN and somebody

Said one in USA Today. They were specific to criticizing the VP. Jen Psaki had to respond to them on Monday.

[Tomconroy]

29. I didn't read your post carefully enough. You have it essentially right.

[Tomconroy]

23. Not on DU. In the national press.

[Hoyt]

10. FWIW, doc who looked at his colon today said he's fit.

[Tomconroy]

12. That's good. But if you don't think this issue is being thought

About in DC you aren't paying attention.

[Hoyt]

13. I would not be surprised if he does not run.

[Tomconroy]

14. I think he'll run only if he feel he has to in order to save

The country from Trump. That's why he ran in 2020.

[secondwind]

15. I remember that Joe said he would only be a one-term POTUS. Don't know if he still feels that way.

The way things go these days, it's best to take one day at a time... We got a lot of shit done this past week, let's see if we can hit a home run with BBB this coming week...

[oldsoftie]

39. He never SAID it directly, but he did indicate it was his line of thinking

And the Democrats MUST operate on the assumption that he wont. He'd be 82. You just cant ignore that. Will he be as spry as he is today? Most people his age will slow down. Maybe he wont. But there must be a plan to involve others. And yes, its 3 years away. But time seems to FLY these days & right now VP Harris isnt the standard bearer. Her numbers are not good. He needs to get her more involved in major policy issues & out in front on them as well. Make her the face of big ideas. Let the people see HER as a leader. Otherwise, the GOP stands to take everything again; especially if gas is sitting at $4 bucks a gllon

[IbogaProject]

18. Joe was clear he was hoping to do his best for a single term

Joe was clear he was hoping to do his best for a single term. He isn't running for reelection, just fighting for Americans and maybe his legacy.

[MineralMan]

19. Well, since he's in the first year of a 4-year term,

Maybe your concern is premature?

[Tomconroy]

20. Just wondering about who launched the hit pieces, like

Everyone else in DC is wondering.

[Caliman73]

25. I agree somewhat about the concern... however, it is never too early...

to start tearing the most likely candidate for President apart.

Smart, strong women tend to scare people. They don't like anyone like Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris being anywhere near the power of the Presidency.

I would imagine there will be a lot more stories about how horrible Kamala Harris is before the end of President Biden's term.

[Tomconroy]

26. I think you are absolutely right.

If I could be permitted a slight indulgence, the initial crap responses didn't surprise me. The general level of discourse on DU is pretty low. But these are my fellow democrats. It is what it is. But I am pleased that the later ones demonstrated that people are giving the OP some thought. I confess I did take a course in college about government's relationship to the press. It made me read media in a different way: All to often stories that are blamed on media malevolence are in fact ways various entities have of trying to sell a narrative. The press gets used a lot. So I was trying to make that point as well as convey my thoughts about a President that I deeply care about.

[rgbecker]

40. That course must have been very interesting.

I've watched the press being used here in local politics to slam people and ideas left and right. Nobody should underestimate the power of the press and we would be smart to be using it to advance progressive ideas and the Democratic Party's agenda.

Fox news and hate radio is the direct threat to America and democracy and needs to be countered at every turn.

[Tomconroy]

41. Hear, Hear!

[Boomerproud]

30. The future is a total fog to me.

My only response is I don't know.

[Polybius]

42. If he doesn't run again, I will respect his decision

What I do not want is for it just to be handed to someone. I would certainly want a primary.