I just heard my TV announce that we are "down" to "only" 1100-plus covid deaths per day.

[Atticus]

Folks, that's like four jumbo passenger planes crashing EACH DAY!

This damned Trump plague is NOT over. Get vaccinated. Get a booster. Wear a mask. Avoid indoor crowds.

[Submariner]

1. Florida does not report state covid statistics

and local reports have covid surges around the state, so that 1100 figure is way low. Never trust red state covid reports.

[Farmer-Rick]

3. Exactly

At the beginning of the Covid pandemic, TN had better survival rates then anywhere in the world. It was better than what we are seeing today. It was just amazing....or they just weren't reporting deaths from Covid-19.

Bunch of fools thought we were stupid enough to believe the lies.

They eventually started reporting some deaths so that their numbers were more realistic. But I still don't believe them.

[Blues Heron]

9. Is there any evidence to what you are saying or just going with your gut

[Farmer-Rick]

15. Go back and look at the March to July 2020 TN numbers of deaths and infections

TN was good at giving out tests and reporting infections but not so with deaths. I'm not going to go through the numbers again. If you want them you can find them. I'm tired of hitting my head on a brick wall.
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At the time, I even wrote to my state representatives and the Governor telling them their numbers were wrong. But of course they did nothing until about the end of the year when the numbers were more realistic. So I'm not sure what they are reporting now.

[Blues Heron]

17. So no link or concrete example?

Your the one making the allegation - Id like to see some evidence.

[gab13by13]

22. Sometimes we must use critical thinking

and make a reasonable assumption.

How do we count the number of deaths that were not actually from Covid but were caused because hospitals were filled with Covid people? How many people were turned away from hospitals and died? I have read reports of people demanding that their loved ones cause of death not be reported as a Covid death, even to the point of telling that to the coroner.

Critical thinking tells me that the total number of deaths from or caused by Covid is much higher than has been reported, both in red states and in blue states.

Do you believe the Covid death rate is over-reported, under-reported, or accurate, right on the money?

[Blues Heron]

23. so just a gut feeling?

Give us one estimate of a fudged statistic and what you think it should be. Actual numbers.

[Blues Heron]

5. Florida is reporting about 1400 cases a day - check the chart

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

[Submariner]

7. The Florida numbers are fudged by the new state surgeon general

and is DeSantis's lap dog who, like Trump, and like DeSantis, has stated that masking does not prevent disease transmission, and that the vaccine does not work. He said we need to eat more fruit.

[Blues Heron]

8. Do you have evidence or just a gut feeling on that

Is there a link?

[Submariner]

11. Florida TV stations reporting ER and ICU spikes this past 10 days

from Covid against reports from the DeSantis regime, indicate someone is lying. It's either DeSantis and his SG lying, or ALL the TV stations are lying.

I'll believe the TV news on this issue.

[Blues Heron]

16. what numbers are being fudged do you have an idea of what they should be

versus whats reported? Give us a concrete example of this fudging you are alleging.

[CrackityJones75]

19. From earlier this year

I have no dog in this fight. Just googled to see if anything turned up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/florida-alabama-no-longer-reporting-daily-covid-case-and-death-data.html

[Blues Heron]

20. Doesnt say they are fudging anything

just going to weekly reporting

[CrackityJones75]

34. Right.

Like I said I don’t have a dog in the fight.

But there was the lady that was let go or quit (I don’t remember) who alleged that the state was fudging the numbers. I believe somehow she was able to continue running the numbers. Does this ring a bell with anyone else?

[Claire Oh Nette]

35. Excess deaths in any state might be a good place to start

2019 - 2,854,838 deaths, down 1.2% from 2018.
2020 - 3,358,814 deaths, UP almost 16% from previous year.

"the estimated 2020 age-adjusted death rate increased for the first time since 2017, with an increase of 15.9% compared with 2019, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

While not a perfect estimate, divide by 50 and there's your average per state for 2020. Tennessee, a virulently anti-mask, anti-vaxx state is likely underreporting, like Florida and other states controlled by GOP govs and legislatures.

YMMV

[Blues Heron]

2. Cases are going up not down

cases are climbing up - was the TV claiming that cases are dropping nationally?

Scroll down at link to see the daily new cases chart that has been rising for a month now

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[progree]

26. NYTimes shows U.S. deaths declining since about Sept 22 (7 day moving average)

Last edited Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)

(On EDIT - you said cases have been rising for about a month, which is true. But since the OP was about deaths, and the TV station claimed deaths were "down", I thought I'd clarify the deaths point)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Though one can make a case for saying deaths plateaued this past 7 days. (Plateaued in the unfortunate way - a declining trend has stopped declining and gone approximately horizontal).

After scrolling down to where the daily deaths chart is, above that section there is an "all time" button and a "last 90 days" button on the left side. Click on the "last 90 days" button.

GIven that daily new cases and new hospitalizations have been rising -- the latter since about November 10 -- a turn up of the new deaths is pretty much inevitable.

Besides the wonderfully wonderful "last 90 days" feature, I also love that colorized county-level map of the U.S. near the top of the page.

[doc03]

4. I heard this morning that more people in the USA have died from COVID in 2021 than in 2020.

Last year in this county most of our COVID cases were people in the state prison or
nursing homes, almost nobody I knew. But this year several friends or people I knew
have died from COVID two of them in their forties. One of my friends is in the hospital
now with COVID. He has diabetes and has been almost a hermit the last two years now he
has been getting blood clots and according to his wife his breathing has improved.

[NoMoreRepugs]

6. Why would MSM want to talk about 8000 dead a week from

a virus with a vaccination readily available when they can trumpet the magats dislike for EVERYTHING Biden stands for and accomplishes???

[traitorsgalore]

10. Red state death cults; aka covicidal, variant-breeding, plague rat, anti-science racist hellholes

TV is stuck in corporate propaganda land, all they care about is selling drugs, cars, fast food and insurance. If TV called these covidiots what they really are their corporate masters would cut them off.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2021/11/11/us-covid-deaths-are-increasingly-concentrated-in-republican-voting-regions/

[gab13by13]

14. The red state data is also deceiving,

there are pockets of anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers located in blue states driving their numbers up. Pa. is controlled in the state by Republicans but voted for president Biden and we have a Democratic governor but where I live in central Pa. the death cult abounds.

[gab13by13]

12. Only 1,100 Covid deaths a day,

praise the lord, we have beat the virus. Cushions are back in our pews in church and hymnals are back and only a handful in church wear masks. Praise the lord. We should keep relaxing those preventative measures. I will keep on wearing my mask in stores even though many store employees now go mask-less. I will keep using the hand sanitizer. I am double vaccinated plus the booster and knock on wood am in good health at 74 years old. Praise the lord.

There are countries in the EU that are talking about shutting things down again while in those same countries people are protesting vaccine mandates.

Freedumb's just another word for nothing left to lose, including one's life.

[dutch777]

13. The death and hospitilzation stats are just the tip of the iceberg

I wish there would be more note taken of number with long covid and other long term effects. And it misses the debt being incurred from those that don't have good enough or any insurance, the hospitals (especially smaller and rural) that can't cover their costs due to these losses and the loss of medical staff. A recent national study said since the start of Covid, 20% of frontline med staff has died from or quit due to conditions related to Covid. The death stat is too easy a way to "keep score" but it is overly simplistic given the larger and longer term issues Covid brings with it.

[gab13by13]

18. Last I checked

the scientists stated that we needed to be at 70% (minimum) of fully vaccinated people to contain the virus and contain mutations. That talk has been shoved under the rug. We are getting close to 60% I believe but close only counts in horseshoes and slow dancing.

[Blues Heron]

21. There is a new movement to refer to it as endemic

thus throwing in the towel, basically giving up.

[gab13by13]

24. It isn't a movement,

I have heard experts say that the pandemic could evolve into an endemic where yearly vaccinations may be required. It is too early in the game to make the endemic claim, down the road it may come to that.

[Blues Heron]

25. its a movement in that people are latching on to the word

and using it to basically throw in the towel.

[gab13by13]

28. You have any evidence, or just a gut feeling?

[Tomconroy]

30. There's this guy:

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/11/15/22784132/dr-anthony-fauci-covid-pandemic-over-is-covid-over-when-will-coronavirus-end

[Blues Heron]

33. Here is one example- DC government lifting mask mandate, saying its now endemic

https://dcist.com/story/21/11/16/dc-mask-mandate-dropping-next-week/

The changes, according to Nesbitt, are designed to help residents assess their individual risk of contracting and falling seriously ill with the virus, as leaders begin to look at the virus as more of an “endemic” disease, meaning cases are constantly present at a baseline within certain regions. There isn’t currently a benchmark or metric that would trigger a mask mandate again, or further restrictions. Instead, Bowser said DC Health will continue to monitor transmission.

[nuxvomica]

27. If the 750K people who died from COVID had voted for TFG

He would be president today. Tell that to anti-vaxx people and maybe they'll get the shot.

[gab13by13]

29. That would assume they are critical thinkers,

and not members of a cult.

[Silent3]

31. My state (New Hampshire) already has a higher new case rate than the peak last winter

Fortunately, at least, NH's peek wasn't that bad compared to many other states, and the death rate is half of the worst it had been, in the single digits per day in a state with 1.38 million people. Hospitalizations are also very low (328 right now, for the whole state).

Most people have given up on masking, and it's not required anywhere right now. As someone who's fully vaccinated and boosted, I'm personally not all that worried for my own health, or even about becoming a carrier. My wife and I still mask up to go shopping, but we also eat out as much as we used to, and are obviously mostly unmasked then.

I don't have NH-specific stats on how the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated are faring, but I think it's pretty likely is that the biggest problem is the unvaccinated people who've completely gone back to living like there's nothing to worry about.

[BlackSkimmer]

32. I actually heard that there was quite a increase.

Oddly enough, in states with high vax rates.

I don’t think they’ve got a grip on this thing yet.

[Vinca]

36. Here in NH the numbers are worse than they have been at any time during the pandemic.

Hospitals are limiting in-patient, elective procedures and yet you see people without masks who are most likely not vaccinated. And the government, in all its right wing wisdom, recently sent millions of dollars back to Washington that might have been used for vaccination sites, etc.

[Ishoutandscream2]

37. Got my booster today

Wife a couple of weeks ago. So thankful that’s done.